Edmunds First Drive: 2007 MB E63 AMG
05-20-06, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramon
Wonder how long before the E63 becomes an E63 Kompressor 
05-20-06, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LexArazzo
I think MB have stated that they are getting away from supercharged engines for their new models . . .
05-20-06, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER
The power wars are on. BMW, what do you have to counter this 
Same power, better handling and superior looks IMHO.
So supposidly the m5 is slightly slower in the straight line though. Cant wait for a comparison head to head!
05-20-06, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fhumphrey04
uh....the M5 comes to mind immediately.
Same power, better handling and superior looks IMHO.
So supposidly the m5 is slightly slower in the straight line though. Cant wait for a comparison head to head!
Same power, better handling and superior looks IMHO.
So supposidly the m5 is slightly slower in the straight line though. Cant wait for a comparison head to head!
but of course, the e63 looks a lot better. though i like the e55 style more too
05-21-06, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Richie
Turbo's are more effecient.
They reached the limit of the SC pretty fast.
They reached the limit of the SC pretty fast.
The SC engines can be modified quite easily, via bolt on applications, to attain higher HP and torque. A limitation on the new 63 engines is going to be the 7 speed transmission since it cannot handle much more in the way of torque.
i modded the engine on my SL55 with Renntech mods, larger pulley, re-flashed ECU, larger throttle body and carbon fiber air box and gained 80 HP and 90 footpounds of torque. New figures are 573 HP and 608 ft. lbs. of torque. And even with this the old rock crusher 5 speed tranny can still handle it ( by the way the thing is now truly a beast) . Kleeman has a package that will increase the HP and torque even more on the SC engine. So I do not agree that the limit has been reached. The achilles heel as I said before with the 63 will be the 7 speed.
05-21-06, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lkirchner
I don't understand; "They reached the limit of the SC pretty fast"
The SC engines can be modified quite easily, via bolt on applications, to attain higher HP and torque. A limitation on the new 63 engines is going to be the 7 speed transmission since it cannot handle much more in the way of torque.
i modded the engine on my SL55 with Renntech mods, larger pulley, re-flashed ECU, larger throttle body and carbon fiber air box and gained 80 HP and 90 footpounds of torque. New figures are 573 HP and 608 ft. lbs. of torque. And even with this the old rock crusher 5 speed tranny can still handle it ( by the way the thing is now truly a beast) . Kleeman has a package that will increase the HP and torque even more on the SC engine. So I do not agree that the limit has been reached. The achilles heel as I said before with the 63 will be the 7 speed.
The SC engines can be modified quite easily, via bolt on applications, to attain higher HP and torque. A limitation on the new 63 engines is going to be the 7 speed transmission since it cannot handle much more in the way of torque.
i modded the engine on my SL55 with Renntech mods, larger pulley, re-flashed ECU, larger throttle body and carbon fiber air box and gained 80 HP and 90 footpounds of torque. New figures are 573 HP and 608 ft. lbs. of torque. And even with this the old rock crusher 5 speed tranny can still handle it ( by the way the thing is now truly a beast) . Kleeman has a package that will increase the HP and torque even more on the SC engine. So I do not agree that the limit has been reached. The achilles heel as I said before with the 63 will be the 7 speed.
05-22-06, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rominl
i forgot the exact details but i remember some interview with mb top engineers and they talked about the stop on all supercharger engines on the mb lineup, where they would be changing to na and turbo. they said turbo is much easier to design and better potential or something. i forgot the details though
You are correct in that a turbo application is easier and more efficient than a SC engine. In addition it is much cheaper to build than the SC. However as I said the limiting factor is going to be the tranny. The 7G transmission still cannot handle the torque.
For the time being I am planning on keeping my 55 stable.
Best Regards,
Lou
05-22-06, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lkirchner
Henry,
You are correct in that a turbo application is easier and more efficient than a SC engine. In addition it is much cheaper to build than the SC. However as I said the limiting factor is going to be the tranny. The 7G transmission still cannot handle the torque.
For the time being I am planning on keeping my 55 stable.
Best Regards,
Lou
You are correct in that a turbo application is easier and more efficient than a SC engine. In addition it is much cheaper to build than the SC. However as I said the limiting factor is going to be the tranny. The 7G transmission still cannot handle the torque.
For the time being I am planning on keeping my 55 stable.
Best Regards,
Lou
05-22-06, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rominl
yup, totally agree, i think that's the resaon why they stayed with the 5 speed auto instead of the 6 speed on the amg series, coz' the 6 speed can't hold the power at all, correct?
You post too fast Henry 
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05-22-06, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LexArazzo
7 speed You post too fast Henry
You post too fast Henry