Opinions wanted on the 745Li Bimmer
#16
My uncle has an 04 its an ugly car and he has had a few problems, Also the dealer srvice has been bad really bad. And an oil change tkes 24hours because the car has to be hooked to a computer he likes my moms LS430 much better.
#17
Originally Posted by MSMLexIS
My uncle has an 04 its an ugly car and he has had a few problems, Also the dealer srvice has been bad really bad. And an oil change tkes 24hours because the car has to be hooked to a computer he likes my moms LS430 much better.
#18
Originally Posted by GSXLEX
Really>>>Whats up with that??
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#19
Originally Posted by XeroK00L
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#20
Originally Posted by mmarshall
You're kidding. BMW has computerized the car THAT much that you can't even change the OIL without electronics? I know that newer Bimmers have a computer device that keeps track of miles and driving conditions and calculates the oil change interval but I didn't know the computer regulated it that much. What does it do.....control an internal spring-lock inside the crankcase drain plug that doesn't allow you to loosen it until the computer un-triggers it?
#21
I personally love the look of this car and was pretty excited at the offer I was given to drive one..I thought the response to this model would be different.Not that its a bad thing thing cause information is key and Im definitely more informed now..I guess its like the cute hottie at the club with the banging body who has to see the shrink twice a week ..Well maybe not cause you still do her,just dont marry her ..Im gonna think real hard on giving up my GS that hasnt given me a problem yet for a"chick with issues"..
#22
i had a 745li 2002
not a very reliable car.. i had the first tranny to be replaced in that car in the country.. dealer had it for 2 months.. oil change was not overnight either..i hear the 04' s and newer are better
not a very reliable car.. i had the first tranny to be replaced in that car in the country.. dealer had it for 2 months.. oil change was not overnight either..i hear the 04' s and newer are better
#23
Originally Posted by gsstud
i had a 745li 2002
not a very reliable car.. i had the first tranny to be replaced in that car in the country.. dealer had it for 2 months.. oil change was not overnight either..i hear the 04' s and newer are better
not a very reliable car.. i had the first tranny to be replaced in that car in the country.. dealer had it for 2 months.. oil change was not overnight either..i hear the 04' s and newer are better
#24
Originally Posted by mmarshall
You're kidding. BMW has computerized the car THAT much that you can't even change the OIL without electronics? I know that newer Bimmers have a computer device that keeps track of miles and driving conditions and calculates the oil change interval but I didn't know the computer regulated it that much. What does it do.....control an internal spring-lock inside the crankcase drain plug that doesn't allow you to loosen it until the computer un-triggers it?
#25
Originally Posted by GSXLEX
I personally love the look of this car and was pretty excited at the offer I was given to drive one..I thought the response to this model would be different.Not that its a bad thing thing cause information is key and Im definitely more informed now..I guess its like the cute hottie at the club with the banging body who has to see the shrink twice a week ..Well maybe not cause you still do her,just dont marry her ..Im gonna think real hard on giving up my GS that hasnt given me a problem yet for a"chick with issues"..
I happen to love the looks of the 745 before the mild refreshening. Yes, they have issues but everytime you walk out toward it, I'll bet they seem so small. Just look at one with fat 20's, lips big enough to swim in. Looks cool as heck. I'd take a chance as long as you have a warranty.
#26
Originally Posted by reggiek
Looks cool as heck. I'd take a chance as long as you have a warranty.
Last edited by XeroK00L; 06-27-06 at 08:30 AM.
#27
Originally Posted by gsstud
i had a 745li 2002
not a very reliable car.. i had the first tranny to be replaced in that car in the country.. dealer had it for 2 months.. oil change was not overnight either..i hear the 04' s and newer are better
not a very reliable car.. i had the first tranny to be replaced in that car in the country.. dealer had it for 2 months.. oil change was not overnight either..i hear the 04' s and newer are better
Imagine if cars were running on microsoft
Anyways, my brother in law's 05 745 is fine so far. It does have dashboard creaking near the doors. Seems like the whole car is twisting/flexing when it goes up/down a curb and dash creaks.
The paint on the idrive is wearing out though
BTW I told my brother in law to get the extended warranty
In summary, get an 04 or newer.
The 7 drives really good though. Take a sharp u-turn and you'll see
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http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=95885
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~dorianm/acade...bmw745bug.html
http://news.zdnet.com/5208-3513-0.ht...11870&start=-1
http://www.baselinemag.com/print_art...a=35839,00.asp
Consider BMW and its luxury 745i sedan. First released in Europe in November of 2001, the car contains around 70 microprocessors. Its most striking feature, iDrive, is what Car and Driver magazine classifies as a "miracle ****." This single element of the dashboard is designed, through a computerized console, to replace more than 200 buttons that control everything from the position of seats to aspects of the navigation of the car itself to climate, communications and entertainment systems.
The iDrive is powered in part by the stripped down version of Microsoft's operating system for personal computers known as Windows CE. Theoretically, Beemer drivers can adjust anything, move forward and not take their eyes off the road. But that assumes that iDrive is working.
A Worldwide Recall
Gary Conley, a retired executive in Silicon Valley, is now driving his second BMW 745i. But it's not because the first one worked that well.
His first car had so many problems that BMW bought it back last July. This buy-back followed a worldwide recall in May of 15,000 7-series cars, and a second recall in July of 286 vehicles by BMW Korea. The Korea Times cited a software bug in the electronic management unit of the vehicle's fuel pump that could make the engine stall. BMW spokesman Gordon Keil says certain cars stalled if the fuel tank was below 1/3, although this was not a problem that Conley ever reported.
Conley says his second car works better than his first one. For example, when it creeps along the road, it does not automatically brake without using the brake lights, as the first one was prone to do. But it still has intermittent problems that BMW can't reproduce or fix. The voice activation system sometimes fails, the transmission slips, the phone may fail to power up, and the iDrive settings have spontaneously disappeared and switched to metric units.
Indeed, Conley became so frustrated with BMW that he posted videos of his errant car, along with his most recent repair records, on the Web. (Click here for a collection of several of these links.) Out of 24 problems cited by Conley in December, his dealer was able to find and fix only three of them, despite help from U.S. headquarters in New Jersey.
"BMW tried to do too many things at once with this car, and they underestimated the software problem," says Conley, who built test equipment for semiconductors as the CEO of EPRO Corp., which sold to Credence Corp. of Fremont, CA, in 1995. "Only two-thirds of hardware has been unleashed by software. There are so many predecessors and dependencies within software that it's like spaghetti-ware. It's not that easy to get all these little components to plug and play."
Conley's situation may be unusual, but not unique. "About a month after I took the car, my iDrive system totally failed," says Ron Burke, a partner in the law firm of Brand Brand & Burke in New York City. "This left me able to drive the car, but unable to operate the radio, telephone or navigation system. BMW explained that it would take a long time to fix it because only a few people were qualified to address the problem. But they did fix it and it's worked ever since."
BMW's Keil says the company has sold over 22,000 of the 745's—a 64% increase over the previous 7-series—and has many happy customers. He says that BMW will work with Conley until he, too, is happy, although he questions whether some of Conley's problems could be solved if Conley had better instruction on how to use the car. For example, Keil says, the car's instrument clusters will reset themselves if the battery is low. Keil also says BMW has done "extensive testing" of the 745's.
Auto industry expert Dennis Virag, president of the Automotive Consulting Group Inc., says the problem is not customer ignorance, but industry carelessness. In the race to add glitzy amenities like navigation, Virag says, auto manufacturers are contracting out the development of immature and faulty software. "The auto industry is highly regulated, and these are not mission-critical systems," he says. "But companies like Microsoft can't do to the auto industry what they did to the PC industry. You can't play Russian Roulette every time you stick the key into the ignition."
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/bmw_misc.html
But hey, you can tell people on the internet your car is .3 seconds faster on the track you never go to and you have soul, they don't.
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~dorianm/acade...bmw745bug.html
http://news.zdnet.com/5208-3513-0.ht...11870&start=-1
http://www.baselinemag.com/print_art...a=35839,00.asp
Consider BMW and its luxury 745i sedan. First released in Europe in November of 2001, the car contains around 70 microprocessors. Its most striking feature, iDrive, is what Car and Driver magazine classifies as a "miracle ****." This single element of the dashboard is designed, through a computerized console, to replace more than 200 buttons that control everything from the position of seats to aspects of the navigation of the car itself to climate, communications and entertainment systems.
The iDrive is powered in part by the stripped down version of Microsoft's operating system for personal computers known as Windows CE. Theoretically, Beemer drivers can adjust anything, move forward and not take their eyes off the road. But that assumes that iDrive is working.
A Worldwide Recall
Gary Conley, a retired executive in Silicon Valley, is now driving his second BMW 745i. But it's not because the first one worked that well.
His first car had so many problems that BMW bought it back last July. This buy-back followed a worldwide recall in May of 15,000 7-series cars, and a second recall in July of 286 vehicles by BMW Korea. The Korea Times cited a software bug in the electronic management unit of the vehicle's fuel pump that could make the engine stall. BMW spokesman Gordon Keil says certain cars stalled if the fuel tank was below 1/3, although this was not a problem that Conley ever reported.
Conley says his second car works better than his first one. For example, when it creeps along the road, it does not automatically brake without using the brake lights, as the first one was prone to do. But it still has intermittent problems that BMW can't reproduce or fix. The voice activation system sometimes fails, the transmission slips, the phone may fail to power up, and the iDrive settings have spontaneously disappeared and switched to metric units.
Indeed, Conley became so frustrated with BMW that he posted videos of his errant car, along with his most recent repair records, on the Web. (Click here for a collection of several of these links.) Out of 24 problems cited by Conley in December, his dealer was able to find and fix only three of them, despite help from U.S. headquarters in New Jersey.
"BMW tried to do too many things at once with this car, and they underestimated the software problem," says Conley, who built test equipment for semiconductors as the CEO of EPRO Corp., which sold to Credence Corp. of Fremont, CA, in 1995. "Only two-thirds of hardware has been unleashed by software. There are so many predecessors and dependencies within software that it's like spaghetti-ware. It's not that easy to get all these little components to plug and play."
Conley's situation may be unusual, but not unique. "About a month after I took the car, my iDrive system totally failed," says Ron Burke, a partner in the law firm of Brand Brand & Burke in New York City. "This left me able to drive the car, but unable to operate the radio, telephone or navigation system. BMW explained that it would take a long time to fix it because only a few people were qualified to address the problem. But they did fix it and it's worked ever since."
BMW's Keil says the company has sold over 22,000 of the 745's—a 64% increase over the previous 7-series—and has many happy customers. He says that BMW will work with Conley until he, too, is happy, although he questions whether some of Conley's problems could be solved if Conley had better instruction on how to use the car. For example, Keil says, the car's instrument clusters will reset themselves if the battery is low. Keil also says BMW has done "extensive testing" of the 745's.
Auto industry expert Dennis Virag, president of the Automotive Consulting Group Inc., says the problem is not customer ignorance, but industry carelessness. In the race to add glitzy amenities like navigation, Virag says, auto manufacturers are contracting out the development of immature and faulty software. "The auto industry is highly regulated, and these are not mission-critical systems," he says. "But companies like Microsoft can't do to the auto industry what they did to the PC industry. You can't play Russian Roulette every time you stick the key into the ignition."
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/bmw_misc.html
But hey, you can tell people on the internet your car is .3 seconds faster on the track you never go to and you have soul, they don't.
#30
My dreams are crushed.. I figured Mike the Bimmer expert would show up soon ..Damn I wanna like this car but cant ignore wjat you guys have told me..I guess the best way to salvage this would be to get an 04 which in my case means waiting till next year unless I get a proven 03.I would have access to service records so I can narrow it down..I guess if anything could screw up a Bimmer..it would be Windows..Damn..a BSOD at 75mph wouldnt be good and waiting for a patch is hilarious..