jrock65

No, no one builds a car to be last. The FX is not a success, but it's not an abysmal failure either. There's a reason that Infiniti targeted only 30,00 sales per year (which the FX met in the first 3 years), and it's because they knew that the FX would be a niche, love it or hate it SUV.

Not sure where you got this notion. No one said that.


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The 2GS sold about 30,000 for its first 3 years, and then sales dropped significantly starting in its fourth year. But I didn't consider it a failure.

Tekknikal

I think Infiniti is doing OK right now. Obviously the new G Sedan should have been out already and the new G Coupe should have been coming this fall... but that aside, I think its doing well all things considered: the car has to sell itself, it has no brand name. IE if it had the Lexus, M-B, or BMW badge it would have been at the top, easily. It doesn't though, but it's still outselling the new IS (!) and keeping pace with the C class. Coupe for Coupe they've been outselling the 3 series, Ms excluded. All of this on a car that's now 4+ years old. So again, big picture, I dont think Infiniti is doing bad at all. When the G gets updated, sales will jump and theyll be doing very well.

Similar story with the M too. That car is even better than the G is, on a relative basis. Its sales are second only to the 5 series and E class. I don't think they can really be that disappointed.

To sum up, even though Infiniti is facing large Y/Y declines due to poor product management, the brand is still doing well all things considered.

GS69

Have not seen this done B4 so just out of curiousity:

• S Class 2,233
• 7 Series 1,308
• LS 971
• A8 440
• Q 28

biker

What feature does the A4 have that the TSX is lacking?

XeroK00L

I agree. The TSX does have everything one would expect from an entry luxury car. The TSX is to the TL much like how the IS is to the ES--both entry luxury, but one in the compact sedan segment and the other in the midsize sedan segment, even though the TL is tuned sportier than the ES.

GS69

I think that the main reasons given for not considering it an entry level luxury sedan is the lack of 6 cylinder engine/RWD & the <$30 price.

I consider it entry level but can see where arguments can be made either way --- but let us not turn this into argument #3 of the sales thread (#1 - GS vs M sales, #2 BMW vs Lexus)

XeroK00L

All those things can be said about the A4 (4-banger, FWD, $28k base price), and yet most people have no problem considering it as a entry level luxury sedan, like biker said. How is that fair?Well we need something to keep the forum alive don't we. (As long as we keep our arguments fact-based not flame-based it's all good right?)

jrock65

I wouldn't consider the TSX a luxury sedan because it doesn't even offer a V6 option (the A4 does). But then, I'll readily admit that I am biased against 4 cylinder cars.

I bet that the next TSX has a turbo 4 cyl.

Hypnotik

In the paper it said you can lease one for $99. Not a bad commuter car

biker

So if the Maybach had a 4 cyl engine it wouldn't be a luxury car?

Hypnotik

No brand name? It obivously does if it goes head to head with MB, BMW and lexus. If infiniti had no brand recognition, then the GS would always be on top of the M but the M is doing better than the Rl and A6 and takes the #3 spot from the GS every so often. The G35 still pretty much outsells the IS. I agree that if it were a BMW or MB, then it would probably sell the most. They are building a pretty good name for themselves in its first generation of vehicles after its brand revival. But yes, they have poor product management. Not to sound like a brand ***** but i wouldnt have an infiniti or a lexus if it didnt catch peoples attention as being expensive and higher class.

INHOCJP

Can you really imagine a Maybach with a 4 cyl engine?

Hypnotik

My thoughts exactly.

jrock65

Well, that would just be lame.

spwolf

probably not :-).

But in reality, TSX is European Accord. A4's interior blows it away. This is why Audi is considered entry-luxury brand.

Of course, it is not as if Audi sells great in the US, they really dont, and a lot of that has the same reasons as why Acura is not doing that good.