New 2007 Toyota Tundra rumors (410hp, 11,000lb. towing) Update - More Rumors pg. 2
08-10-06, 12:12 AM
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If the current 4.7L already generates 330 lb-ft of torque, it'd be pathetic if the new 5.7L only manages 350 lb-ft. I therefore believe the 350hp/350lb-ft figures above are far off. 
By extrapolating the torque figure from the 4.7L, we get 330 lb-ft x 5.7L / 4.7L =...exactly 400 lb-ft for the 5.7L!! With help of Dual VVT-i, I think the OP's figure can be quite close.
By extrapolating the torque figure from the 4.7L, we get 330 lb-ft x 5.7L / 4.7L =...exactly 400 lb-ft for the 5.7L!! With help of Dual VVT-i, I think the OP's figure can be quite close.
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08-10-06, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bmgs400
If Toyota builds this Tundra and does more advertising "Made in the USA" ...I see big loses for the BIG-3.
The Tundra plant can only make at max capacity 200k trucks a year. Ford sells 900 some thousand trucks a year. Chevy sells something like 600-700k silverados and Dodge sells like 450k Rams a year. The tundra can become a player but cannot dominate ore even carve out too sizeable a market. 10% maybe.
08-10-06, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mwmorph
you would think so but nope. the Big 3 will be completely fine.
The Tundra plant can only make at max capacity 200k trucks a year. Ford sells 900 some thousand trucks a year. Chevy sells something like 600-700k silverados and Dodge sells like 450k Rams a year. The tundra can become a player but cannot dominate ore even carve out too sizeable a market. 10% maybe.
The Tundra plant can only make at max capacity 200k trucks a year. Ford sells 900 some thousand trucks a year. Chevy sells something like 600-700k silverados and Dodge sells like 450k Rams a year. The tundra can become a player but cannot dominate ore even carve out too sizeable a market. 10% maybe.
What it matters is to keep your sales, it really doesnt matter who is first when it comes to the bottom line. If Toyota makes 100,000 more Tundra's next year, and Ford makes 100,000 less F150's, it will be Toyota's big plus since they made extra 100,000 sales. Even if F150 still outsells Tundra 4x1, it will hurt Ford's bottom line. Same goes for any other vehicle - like Camry for example. You gotta be growing constantly.
08-10-06, 02:25 PM
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I remember hearing 400hp a long time ago. I think someone leaked info from a Toyota Canada conference awhile back stating that the truck will have 400hp and tow over 10,000lbs.
08-11-06, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
If the current 4.7L already generates 330 lb-ft of torque, it'd be pathetic if the new 5.7L only manages 350 lb-ft. I therefore believe the 350hp/350lb-ft figures above are far off.
By extrapolating the torque figure from the 4.7L, we get 330 lb-ft x 5.7L / 4.7L =...exactly 400 lb-ft for the 5.7L!! With help of Dual VVT-i, I think the OP's figure can be quite close.
By extrapolating the torque figure from the 4.7L, we get 330 lb-ft x 5.7L / 4.7L =...exactly 400 lb-ft for the 5.7L!! With help of Dual VVT-i, I think the OP's figure can be quite close.
The new motor will make far in excess of 350ft-lbs of torque. It better, since Nissan's Titan and the Dodge Ram already can make more power than that.I'm personally expecting 400ft-lbs+ more like 425 I'd imagine.
09-08-06, 04:10 PM
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Just browsing other forums. Kinda bored over here. Running into some stuff...
Originally Posted by TRDemon
For those interested, I have some more info on the Tundra Crew Cab, to be named the "Crew Max". A guy at TS was apparently at the 2006 Houston Toyota Truck Evaluations. There were various trucks in different configurations from each manufacturer there to be compared to the 2007 Tundra. Cameras and phones were not allowed. Here are the things he could remember:
-The Crew Max is larger than all of the current Crew Cab offerings, except the Mega Cab.
-The bed was 5 1/2" like the Ford.
-Could lower tailgate with one finger
-5.7L rated at 355 hp, but he was told it may be a few more by production
-Still no torque rating, but its common knowledge among insiders it will likely be best-in-class for half-tons
-Crew Max has 6 cupholders and 2 beer bottle/water bottle holders in each door
-Bucket seat models has floor shifter, but there are 40/20/40 seats with column shifters
-Towing capacity is 10,600# for DC and 10,400# for CM, with 1,800# payload for one, he couldn't remember which
-EPA MPG est. 14 city 18 hwy
Anyway, just thought I'd share my finding. I thought these numbers were interresting.
-The Crew Max is larger than all of the current Crew Cab offerings, except the Mega Cab.
-The bed was 5 1/2" like the Ford.
-Could lower tailgate with one finger
-5.7L rated at 355 hp, but he was told it may be a few more by production
-Still no torque rating, but its common knowledge among insiders it will likely be best-in-class for half-tons
-Crew Max has 6 cupholders and 2 beer bottle/water bottle holders in each door
-Bucket seat models has floor shifter, but there are 40/20/40 seats with column shifters
-Towing capacity is 10,600# for DC and 10,400# for CM, with 1,800# payload for one, he couldn't remember which
-EPA MPG est. 14 city 18 hwy
Anyway, just thought I'd share my finding. I thought these numbers were interresting.
09-08-06, 04:15 PM
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And even more rumors....
300hp, 400hp, 410 hp, 355hp, 350 hp, 335hp.
So basically no one really knows anything.
Originally Posted by toyoguy
3UR-FE 5.7L 90 degree V8 with dual VVT-i (Tundra)
Aluminum block and heads/Cast iron block w/ aluminum alloy heads (?)
Forged, high strength internals with 6 bolt main crankshaft bearing caps, fully balanced forged crankshaft with high strength connecting rod bolts
Large diameter forged connecting rods with heavy duty moly coated pistons
Single fuel injection - air assisted port injection for greater fuel atomization
High compression relative to other truck engines
First truck engine with dual VVT-i
Estimated power:
400hp
470lb-ft
4UR-FE 4.7L 90 degree V8 with dual VVT-i (Tundra, 4Runner)
Aluminum block and heads/Cast iron block w/ aluminum alloy heads (?)
Forged, high strength internals with 6 bolt main crankshaft bearing caps, fully balanced forged crankshaft with high strength connecting rod bolts
Large diameter forged connecting rods with heavy duty moly coated pistons
Single fuel injection - air assisted port injection for greater fuel atomization
Estimated power: (bridges gap between 1GR and 3UR)
335hp
375lb-ft
Aluminum block and heads/Cast iron block w/ aluminum alloy heads (?)
Forged, high strength internals with 6 bolt main crankshaft bearing caps, fully balanced forged crankshaft with high strength connecting rod bolts
Large diameter forged connecting rods with heavy duty moly coated pistons
Single fuel injection - air assisted port injection for greater fuel atomization
High compression relative to other truck engines
First truck engine with dual VVT-i
Estimated power:
400hp
470lb-ft
4UR-FE 4.7L 90 degree V8 with dual VVT-i (Tundra, 4Runner)
Aluminum block and heads/Cast iron block w/ aluminum alloy heads (?)
Forged, high strength internals with 6 bolt main crankshaft bearing caps, fully balanced forged crankshaft with high strength connecting rod bolts
Large diameter forged connecting rods with heavy duty moly coated pistons
Single fuel injection - air assisted port injection for greater fuel atomization
Estimated power: (bridges gap between 1GR and 3UR)
335hp
375lb-ft
300hp, 400hp, 410 hp, 355hp, 350 hp, 335hp.
So basically no one really knows anything.
09-08-06, 05:40 PM
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still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.
09-08-06, 08:06 PM
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still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.
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09-08-06, 10:14 PM
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I have been to Thailand and have seen little Toyota Trucks used as Taxi's, hauling about 50 or so people at a time around town.
Those little trucks are tough.
In the US, I think domestic trucks will always be King. But worldwide, No. Besides, I think even with a lot of trucks used for heavy duty, most of them are still Home Depot haulers sitting on 20+ rims.
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09-08-06, 11:49 PM
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still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.
There's a good chance Toyota will release their own turbodiesel for this truck in the future.
THE MAIN reason that Ford and GM sell so many trucks is because of fleet sales. If they didn't have that; they'd be screwed.
09-09-06, 01:29 AM
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still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.
Toyota can and will make a dually/HD Tundra, just need to have patience.
American pickups are popular only in, get this, America. Practically everywhere else around the world, Japanese pickups rule, in particular, Toyota pickups. Toyota does sell diesel pickups in varying models, just not in the US ... well not yet anyways.
And if you want to talk commerical trucks, again America is not the best, not even close. The world's best commercial trucks are closely contested by European and Japanese makers.
And if you want to talk SUVs, GM makes some pretty good SUVs, but worldwide, again, American SUVs are rarely used. Rather, SUVs like Toyota's legendary Land Cruiser are used worldwide, because of their incredible reliability and durability.