Poll: Fuel economy big car-buying factor
05-30-11, 03:47 PM
#46
executive matchup
Many ways.
1. Electric motors require no maintenance. Batteries require no maintenance. The ICE does of course require maintenance, but note that it is of course being used less in a hybrid so there is less wear.
2. Brakes. This is a big one for hybrids as they have been shown to last three to four times as long as the brakes in a conventional vehicle. That is a lot of savings in the long run. At 70k miles, our Lexus mechanic said not anticipate on ever replacing the brake pads and rotors in our 400h, given the rate of wear.
3. You cannot replace parts that aren't there. Power steering pump comes to mind. Lexus hybrids feature electric power steering. There are other components as well.
This is a common misconception that hybrids are way more complex and will cost a fortune to maintain. This is simply not the case. In fact, this is why dealers do not want EVs because it leaves windshield wiper replacement and washer fluid refills as all that they need to do. This doesn't translate to income for them.
To answer your question, the Ni-mh batteries used by Toyota have proven themselves to be stalwart sources of electricity storage. There have been a number of articles on Toyota hybrids racking up over 300k miles. Yet, the idea that one might have to spend thousands on a replacement battery for his/her hybrid is still pervasive. Toyota has over 1 million hybrids on the roads throughout the world. Trust me, you would hear about it if even as many as 5% were failing.
1. Electric motors require no maintenance. Batteries require no maintenance. The ICE does of course require maintenance, but note that it is of course being used less in a hybrid so there is less wear.
2. Brakes. This is a big one for hybrids as they have been shown to last three to four times as long as the brakes in a conventional vehicle. That is a lot of savings in the long run. At 70k miles, our Lexus mechanic said not anticipate on ever replacing the brake pads and rotors in our 400h, given the rate of wear.
3. You cannot replace parts that aren't there. Power steering pump comes to mind. Lexus hybrids feature electric power steering. There are other components as well.
This is a common misconception that hybrids are way more complex and will cost a fortune to maintain. This is simply not the case. In fact, this is why dealers do not want EVs because it leaves windshield wiper replacement and washer fluid refills as all that they need to do. This doesn't translate to income for them.
To answer your question, the Ni-mh batteries used by Toyota have proven themselves to be stalwart sources of electricity storage. There have been a number of articles on Toyota hybrids racking up over 300k miles. Yet, the idea that one might have to spend thousands on a replacement battery for his/her hybrid is still pervasive. Toyota has over 1 million hybrids on the roads throughout the world. Trust me, you would hear about it if even as many as 5% were failing.
link: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/hyb...ml#post6316267
Last edited by Stormforge; 05-30-11 at 03:51 PM.
05-30-11, 07:13 PM
#47
thats 100l tank, thats really huge... it is $150 here and psychologically it breaks 1000KN (our currency), i would get stomach pain every time i filled it up.
of course, it doesnt matter since you drive more miles, but your mind does not work that logically :-).
i checked here and fuel tank is 85l (22.4 gallons) :-)
of course, it doesnt matter since you drive more miles, but your mind does not work that logically :-).
i checked here and fuel tank is 85l (22.4 gallons) :-)
05-30-11, 09:29 PM
#48
Lexus Fanatic
+1, i couldn't have said it better myself
i uploaded the CR article in post #9 in the link below (if anyone is interested in reading it)
link: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/hyb...ml#post6316267
i uploaded the CR article in post #9 in the link below (if anyone is interested in reading it)
link: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/hyb...ml#post6316267
05-31-11, 12:21 AM
#49
I've heard (but can't verify) that gas is over $10 (in American-dollar/gallon-equivalent) in London. And England, of course, gets North Sea oil right offshore. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more expensive than that in countries like Italy and Spain that don't have any significant oil-production of their own.
The rest of the country is bad, but not quite that bad - $8.77 per US gallon at current exchange rates is the norm.
Despite the fact that North Sea Oil production is on the wane, the UK still has cheap petrol. Unfortunately, by the time the Government has added fuel tax and then 20% VAT on top, it's as expensive, if not more so, than much of Europe.
05-31-11, 08:04 AM
#50
There is a garage in Park Lane, London that is always famous for having the most expensive petrol in the country. It serves a very wealthy clientel and I can well believe it would be $10 a US gallon there.
The rest of the country is bad, but not quite that bad - $8.77 per US gallon at current exchange rates is the norm.
Despite the fact that North Sea Oil production is on the wane, the UK still has cheap petrol. Unfortunately, by the time the Government has added fuel tax and then 20% VAT on top, it's as expensive, if not more so, than much of Europe.
The rest of the country is bad, but not quite that bad - $8.77 per US gallon at current exchange rates is the norm.
Despite the fact that North Sea Oil production is on the wane, the UK still has cheap petrol. Unfortunately, by the time the Government has added fuel tax and then 20% VAT on top, it's as expensive, if not more so, than much of Europe.
we have 23% VAT and yet our fuel in Croatia is cheaper by 20% than yours. And in Bosnia, it is 20% cheaper than here too :-).
Bloody taxes.
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