BMW 335i Sedan Discussion (merged threads)
09-28-06, 10:00 AM
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Regardless, we're talking about what BMW "had to do" in order to match (and beat) the IS 350's performance abilities. If you think that BMW couldn't drop a 3.0 NA, 300 HP straight 6 in the base 3 series, then you're only fooling yourself. Heck, even Ford could do it, if they were so inclined.
09-28-06, 10:07 AM
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I don't know that I'd call the 3.2 a limited production, special edition engine. The M3 is a normal production car, and BMW will turn out as many of them (and MZ4's) as needed to meet demand. There are no limitations.
Regardless, we're talking about what BMW "had to do" in order to match (and beat) the IS 350's performance abilities. If you think that BMW couldn't drop a 3.0 NA, 300 HP straight 6 in the base 3 series, then you're only fooling yourself. Heck, even Ford could do it, if they were so inclined.
Regardless, we're talking about what BMW "had to do" in order to match (and beat) the IS 350's performance abilities. If you think that BMW couldn't drop a 3.0 NA, 300 HP straight 6 in the base 3 series, then you're only fooling yourself. Heck, even Ford could do it, if they were so inclined.
C'mon M3 to a IS 350?
I am not saying BMW could NOT make a 300hp normally aspirated engine but to even say is hypothetical which has no basis here or any serious debate. I can say Lexus can make a 1.0 liter V-6 for 500hp. I can say Ford can make a 2.2 liter V-6 for 450hp. Its all IN OUR HEADS.
Lets talk what has been produced to keep this conversation positive.
09-28-06, 10:47 AM
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I don't understand the animosity between brands. When it comes to cars, its like a religous war. Cars are cars and technology has been around for a long time. Most car companies can build anything without a budget. The race begins with companys building cars capables of great things on a budget of each car. Praises go to certain companies that invest more into certain elements than others, therefor making a car more capable of "exhibit a" than it is capable of "exhibit b". If BMW wants to build a luxury sedan with butt kissers it can do it, but then it means it has to cut cost on "wheels" for example. Therefor making it a luxury sedan with cheap wheels. The argument then goes to say that the "IS" has better wheels.
I'm sure Nissans, dodges, ect can pump out 300hp from 3.0 engines the same, but I bet you they'd cut cost on some part of the vehicle.
Many people boast Lexus for great reliabilty, but none take to consideration Lexus' recent movement toward "L-finess" and sportiness along with tons of gadgets. Who's to say or know that in a few years lexus' reliabilty will go down, all due to some stupid window mechanism that affected a large portion of cars.
Enjoy your cars, as we can honestly and factually say that Lexus, BMW, Audi, and Mercedes are in the same race for a reason and not in the same race as a dodge, nissan, toyota, ect. They are all exceptionally great cars from great manufacturers, that have come to the point their in not by luck, but by persistance.
WITH ALL FAIRNESS. MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD
I'm sure Nissans, dodges, ect can pump out 300hp from 3.0 engines the same, but I bet you they'd cut cost on some part of the vehicle.
Many people boast Lexus for great reliabilty, but none take to consideration Lexus' recent movement toward "L-finess" and sportiness along with tons of gadgets. Who's to say or know that in a few years lexus' reliabilty will go down, all due to some stupid window mechanism that affected a large portion of cars.
Enjoy your cars, as we can honestly and factually say that Lexus, BMW, Audi, and Mercedes are in the same race for a reason and not in the same race as a dodge, nissan, toyota, ect. They are all exceptionally great cars from great manufacturers, that have come to the point their in not by luck, but by persistance.
WITH ALL FAIRNESS. MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD
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09-28-06, 10:55 AM
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M3 is a limited production car as the Z4M. We both know this. They might sell 10,000 worldwide year. MAYBE. Toyota pumps out those 3.5 liter engines at that rate every month probably.
C'mon M3 to a IS 350?
I am not saying BMW could NOT make a 300hp normally aspirated engine but to even say is hypothetical which has no basis here or any serious debate. I can say Lexus can make a 1.0 liter V-6 for 500hp. I can say Ford can make a 2.2 liter V-6 for 450hp. Its all IN OUR HEADS.
Lets talk what has been produced to keep this conversation positive.
C'mon M3 to a IS 350?
I am not saying BMW could NOT make a 300hp normally aspirated engine but to even say is hypothetical which has no basis here or any serious debate. I can say Lexus can make a 1.0 liter V-6 for 500hp. I can say Ford can make a 2.2 liter V-6 for 450hp. Its all IN OUR HEADS.
Lets talk what has been produced to keep this conversation positive.
09-28-06, 02:15 PM
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Your talking inline 6 vs. V6. Inline 6's have weaker blocks and crankshaft do to their length and are harder breathing than a V6. V6's typically can make more power do to its design. The M3 motor is an amazing marvel. To get 333hp N/A horsepower is quite a feat. The N/A Supra 1jz is 225hp from 3.0 litres. Twin turbos were required to yeild 320hp for the Supra Turbo.
2. I know the differences between V-6 and I-6. We have the Supra TT to compare to the 335 TT.
All I am stating is this 300hp TT from 3 liters has been done 10 years earlier.
I not saying anything bad about anything
09-28-06, 02:37 PM
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Hrm, have these been posted yet? From Vishnu.
Stock and with some fuel tuning.
Full boost control on bottom, then with 11psi across the band and a new exhaust.
54hp and 60tq peak, with a 2psi increase at max, some fuel tuning and an exhaust. He said their dyno typically reads ~5% lower than most. He said he would guess it's running about 380hp at the crank.
I personally like this a lot since Shiv said although the numbers aren't "omg blow you away", it's with only a 2psi increase at WOT and a cheapy exhaust, it's a 15 min xede upgrade. He said more important than the numbers the throttle response in the low end has imporved appreciably, and there is less torque drop off over 5500rpm (still over 300lbs/ft). He also mentioned that MPG has increased. He will be flogging it like this for a week or so (iirc) and testing it against a 996tt.
current thread is here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31578
Stock and with some fuel tuning.
Full boost control on bottom, then with 11psi across the band and a new exhaust.
54hp and 60tq peak, with a 2psi increase at max, some fuel tuning and an exhaust. He said their dyno typically reads ~5% lower than most. He said he would guess it's running about 380hp at the crank.
I personally like this a lot since Shiv said although the numbers aren't "omg blow you away", it's with only a 2psi increase at WOT and a cheapy exhaust, it's a 15 min xede upgrade. He said more important than the numbers the throttle response in the low end has imporved appreciably, and there is less torque drop off over 5500rpm (still over 300lbs/ft). He also mentioned that MPG has increased. He will be flogging it like this for a week or so (iirc) and testing it against a 996tt.
current thread is here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31578
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09-28-06, 02:38 PM
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Can it? I'd think that the V6 would be wider and more bulky than the inline since you have two banks of cylinders/heads/headers, instead of one, arranged in a "V" pattern. It's shorter, yes, but that doesn't mean it takes up less space. Do you think that you could shoehorn the Lexus V6 into a Z3, where the BMW inline 6 fits?
09-28-06, 03:05 PM
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Hrm, have these been posted yet? From Vishnu.
Stock and with some fuel tuning.
Full boost control on bottom, then with 11psi across the band and a new exhaust.
54hp and 60tq peak, with a 2psi increase at max, some fuel tuning and an exhaust. He said their dyno typically reads ~5% lower than most. He said he would guess it's running about 380hp at the crank.
I personally like this a lot since Shiv said although the numbers aren't "omg blow you away", it's with only a 2psi increase at WOT and a cheapy exhaust, it's a 15 min xede upgrade. He said more important than the numbers the throttle response in the low end has imporved appreciably, and there is less torque drop off over 5500rpm (still over 300lbs/ft). He also mentioned that MPG has increased. He will be flogging it like this for a week or so (iirc) and testing it against a 996tt.
current thread is here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31578
Stock and with some fuel tuning.
Full boost control on bottom, then with 11psi across the band and a new exhaust.
54hp and 60tq peak, with a 2psi increase at max, some fuel tuning and an exhaust. He said their dyno typically reads ~5% lower than most. He said he would guess it's running about 380hp at the crank.
I personally like this a lot since Shiv said although the numbers aren't "omg blow you away", it's with only a 2psi increase at WOT and a cheapy exhaust, it's a 15 min xede upgrade. He said more important than the numbers the throttle response in the low end has imporved appreciably, and there is less torque drop off over 5500rpm (still over 300lbs/ft). He also mentioned that MPG has increased. He will be flogging it like this for a week or so (iirc) and testing it against a 996tt.
current thread is here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31578
09-28-06, 04:13 PM
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