BMW 335i Sedan Discussion (merged threads)
09-18-06, 04:44 PM
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09-18-06, 05:21 PM
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Quite frankly its still a drivers race and who gets the better jump as the cars are very evenly matched. Lets wait a couple months and see if 335 owners take their cars to the track for timeslips like IS 350 owners have done.
09-18-06, 06:47 PM
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1. Get their head examined
2. Get Mr. Bangle from behind them.....
09-18-06, 06:53 PM
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Point me to the thread where someone said the IS engine was bad engineering? I think the only bad engineering comment was made toward the BMW 335 engine. For anyone that says the BMW engine is bad engineering needs to:
1. Get their head examined
2. Keep things real and objective
Okay, I realize the post I quoted implies that, but we all know it was said in jest as a rebutal for the bad BMW engineering comment
I don't think we but heads. We just don't always agree
09-21-06, 09:53 PM
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1. IS350 Japanese spec is measured based on JIS standard, which is different from SAE Net that US is using. Hence you can't compare its output.
2. Automobile Dyno was on the rear wheel which was measured to be 299HP. Which is significantly higher than what IS350 dynoed by over 10%. I haven't see IS350 dyno over 270 in stock form. Automobile's two dyno run on two different car already shows that BMW significantly under-rate the engine. For 335i to output 299 HP to the wheel, it is actually putting close to 340 and higher.
Those are real number that you can't deny.
335i will probably not significantly faster than IS350 has more to do with the rear differential.
BMW's estimate has always been on the conservative end.
2. Automobile Dyno was on the rear wheel which was measured to be 299HP. Which is significantly higher than what IS350 dynoed by over 10%. I haven't see IS350 dyno over 270 in stock form. Automobile's two dyno run on two different car already shows that BMW significantly under-rate the engine. For 335i to output 299 HP to the wheel, it is actually putting close to 340 and higher.
Those are real number that you can't deny.
335i will probably not significantly faster than IS350 has more to do with the rear differential.
BMW's estimate has always been on the conservative end.
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09-21-06, 09:56 PM
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Any proof of that? If in fact it was 300 at the wheels, we are talking about E46 M3 level numbers, slightly higher in fact. If this was the case, the 335i would be faster than test results have shown. And no, you can't use solely gearing as an excuse.
09-21-06, 10:19 PM
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Does Lexus include the weight of the driver in their measurements? BMW does - 170 lbs, to be precise. Aside from the fact that the owner's manual makes mention of this in all countries, all of the European service manuals I have for the E46 quote two curb weights per model - one with the EU-mandated provision for driver and fuel weight, and one without.
Similarly, unladen weight, by definition, does NOT include the driver.
So yes, even though this may be tough for some people, namely BMW enthusiasnts to swallow, apples-to-apples, the 335i sedan is heavier than the IS350 by almost 100 pounds.
09-21-06, 10:24 PM
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Fact is, if 335i was actually making 340 crank HP, it would be faster than it currently is. Gearing alone would not account for such low performance if crank HP was 340. Only thing I can think of that could account for this would be significant traction problems, which nobody has heard about, so likely, it is not the case.
09-21-06, 10:27 PM
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1, Torque (and HP) is a key factor for acceleration, but not the sole factor. How about the gears and the final drive ratio? I think even when the torque curve starts dipping, the 335i still have more torque than the IS350.
2, 335i doesn't have mechanical LSD too.
3, 335i will outrun IS350. Not by a not, but will still outrun the IS. I am sure without the electronic limiter the 335i will have a higher top speed than the IS, too.
2, 335i doesn't have mechanical LSD too.
3, 335i will outrun IS350. Not by a not, but will still outrun the IS. I am sure without the electronic limiter the 335i will have a higher top speed than the IS, too.
335i is heavier than IS350, even though it has more powerful engine. Some IS350 owners are already running low 13s 1/4 mile with extremely minor mods, so the IS350 has already shown potential to be faster, just like many are excited about 335i's potential.
09-21-06, 10:28 PM
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the thing ppl forget is that bmw engineering is great but they push it to the point the engine isnt reliable... how many m3's do you know have blown engines and the new fiasco with somebodies 335 coupe. im more impressed with honda engineering at this moment. the rdx's numbers in general are more impressive than the rav4's v6 numbers.
09-21-06, 11:32 PM
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the thing ppl forget is that bmw engineering is great but they push it to the point the engine isnt reliable... how many m3's do you know have blown engines and the new fiasco with somebodies 335 coupe. im more impressed with honda engineering at this moment. the rdx's numbers in general are more impressive than the rav4's v6 numbers.