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10-30-06, 07:06 PM

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Guys lets tone it down a lil.....

10-30-06, 07:42 PM

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Sombodys got MB envy.

IIHS has gone down the drain from my books ever since Brian O'neal retired. I've read that same stupid seat test, they think fords seat is better because it is structurly weak so it gave more cushion during a crash.

I just had to LOL when I read that. I wouldn't be suprised if IIHS are taking money from ford some how.

10-30-06, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RX_330

Every car design has it's own strengths and weaknesses. You can't expect everything to be perfect.

Have you ever ventured off onto the MB forums? Take a look at the Safety forums and look at the pics and read the stories.

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I second that. The safety forums there are for ppl who got into accidents in real life and they got nothing but good things to say about how their cars protected them in a crash. The only complains I saw are from idiots who claims their air bags didn't deploy after a wrack, and people were like you walked away without a scratch and you actually want the air bag to pound you in the face before you walk out? It was pretty funny they didn't understand
their car just saved their life and still try to find problems out of thin air.

10-30-06, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaban

IIHS has gone down the drain from my books ever since Brian O'neal retired.

What would this have to do with anything.

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I've read that same stupid seat test, they think fords seat is better because it is structurly weak so it gave more cushion during a crash.

I just had to LOL when I read that. I wouldn't be suprised if IIHS are taking money from ford some how.

I never read this.

10-30-06, 10:09 PM

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You'd think they care about whiplash protection from a rearend collision......

First, few people position the headrests correctly, and until they do this test has no bearing on actual crash scenarios.

Secondly whiplash is not a serious injury, it's a minor test compared to IIHS side impact test which detects serious injury or even death.

10-30-06, 10:10 PM

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Are you kidding me? Rear test is a joke?

Do you know how many rear end accidents compare to side accidents? Why don't you do some researh and get back to me.

Do you know rarely does anyone die in a rear end collision.

10-30-06, 10:14 PM

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Do you know rarely does anyone die in a rear end collision.

Usually paralysis not death...still pretty damn important.

10-30-06, 10:20 PM

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Euroncap

GS
Front 94% Side 100% Overall 35 Pedestrian 50% Child Protection 84%

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...?id1=4&id2=216
Eclass
Front 81% Side 100% Overall 33 Pedestrian 11%

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...?id1=4&id2=130
5er
Front 69% Side 89% Overall 29 Pedestrian 6% Child Protection 86%

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...?id1=4&id2=208

IS
http://www.euroncap.com/images/resul...0datasheet.pdf
3er
http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...?id1=3&id2=225
Cclass
http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...p?id1=3&id2=89

Toyota's knee airbags definetly work, this could save someone some painful injuries or even joint damage.

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10-30-06, 10:50 PM

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What are you talking about? Whiplash can be a very serious injury.

10-31-06, 02:39 AM

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I dunno if the crumple zones are any better but after driving my CLK 430 (W208) then getting into a newer CLK (W209) I felt like I could die at any point with how light it was.

I like my W208 for the same reason I like my SC400's.... the new generation of cars just seems like it's not a solid car when comparing the gen before the last.. This pretty much goes for any new car.

10-31-06, 02:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mavericck

Usually paralysis not death...still pretty damn important.

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Originally Posted by IIHS.org

For each seat/head restraint, rear-end crash protection is an assessment of occupant protection against neck injury in rear impacts at low to moderate speeds. Although such injuries usually aren't serious, they occur frequently.

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What are you talking about? Whiplash can be a very serious injury.

If you're a lawyer, the odds of serious injury due to whiplash is small.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/neck_injury.html

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The Institute analyzed more than 5,000 insurance claims and determined that, all other factors being the same, drivers with restraints rated good were 24 percent less likely than drivers with poor head restraints to sustain neck injuries in rear-end crashes...The findings showed that head restraints positioned at or above the head's center of gravity could reduce reported neck pain after a rear-end crash. Drivers with such restraints reported 40 percent fewer instances of neck pain than those with poorly positioned restraints.

Restraint position is far more important than the actual design, Lexus doesn't have any poor restraint designs in recent models.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/head_res...ge.html#tested

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This thread is being pushed far off topic, the real question is why MB faired so poorly in side impact tests.

Eurocap had a piece of trim fall off obstructing the side airbag during an Eclass side impact test, IIHS gives the Eclass (and Cclass) an acceptable rating for side impacts, the previous Eclass recieved an accpetable rating for front end impacts.

MB being a leader in safety is more myth than anything else, when asked to provide hard data of their superiority the contradictory is found.

10-31-06, 05:41 AM

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The best way to minimize damage in accidents is not to have them in the first place. I'd take my chances in a C or E class over a wallowy Camry!

Hmmm... no Toyotas/Lexus in this list of 9 IIHS Gold Safety picks...
http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/iihs/index.html

Must mean Toyota's terrible right? Nonsense.

IIHS, the same people who said the end of the 55 speed limit would lead to tens of thousands more highway deaths - they were COMPLETELY WRONG.

I hope everyone knows the IIHS is not a government agency, it's paid for by insurance companies.

10-31-06, 05:59 AM

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Hmmm... no Toyotas/Lexus in this list of 9 IIHS Gold Safety picks...
http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/iihs/index.html

in order to recieve a gold pick a car would have to recieve a good score in the whiplash test.
And I don't consider a sore neck an injury.

IIHS tests are far more intense than the lax NHTSA tests.
Today everything gets a 5star rating by NHTSA standards.

10-31-06, 06:56 AM

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What would this have to do with anything.

I never read this.

It is there on the web site I don't have a link to it tho. It was also featured on Dateline NBC a while ago, prime time stuff. That's where I saw it from.

10-31-06, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Jones

That's why I think IIHS is taking money from ford somehow after Brian O'neil retired. They went from seriously testing car crash safety that made sense to testing chairs by taking it out of the car which makes no sense. If they tested it INSIDE the car without taking it out I would actually believe them.

Also if you saw the video of the test you will know why test dummy scored a whiplash, the head rests are NOT positioned correctly. Whoever ran that test had no clue on what he is doing.

Think about it, that is something ford or gm would do in order to make them look good and distract people from the problems they have.

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