The latest in Lexus Reliability Data
11-24-06 | 06:57 PM
#16
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A rather rude comment. I don't represent myself as knowing more about auto reliability than Consumer Reports. In fact, I have a very high opinion of their ability to keep records on it.
And I do read and post on the Lexus model forums. ...admittedly, not as much as on CAR CHAT. I had an IS300 myself....for five years....Why do you think I joined CL?
And why do you think I stayed with CL even though I now have a Subaru instead? I have a high opinion of this forum, too...just like I do Consumer Reports. I didn't open up this whole thread subject just for myself.......Lexus reliability does not affect me personally one bit. I posted this for you guys...because some of you were waiting for some info on the potential reliability of the new 2007 models. If you want to discuss it, fine. If not, you can ignore it.
But.....one of the reasons I did not buy a new ES or IS to replace my old one was that I was not as impressed with the new ones as with the older ones. And, like I said, I found CR's extremely high reliability rating of the new ES a little puzzling, given the problems I noticed on the one I reviewed. And, you apparantly agree.....you mention problems that CL members are having with theirs.
And I do read and post on the Lexus model forums. ...admittedly, not as much as on CAR CHAT. I had an IS300 myself....for five years....Why do you think I joined CL?
And why do you think I stayed with CL even though I now have a Subaru instead? I have a high opinion of this forum, too...just like I do Consumer Reports. I didn't open up this whole thread subject just for myself.......Lexus reliability does not affect me personally one bit. I posted this for you guys...because some of you were waiting for some info on the potential reliability of the new 2007 models. If you want to discuss it, fine. If not, you can ignore it.
But.....one of the reasons I did not buy a new ES or IS to replace my old one was that I was not as impressed with the new ones as with the older ones. And, like I said, I found CR's extremely high reliability rating of the new ES a little puzzling, given the problems I noticed on the one I reviewed. And, you apparantly agree.....you mention problems that CL members are having with theirs.
Rude-not meant to be, straightforward yes, but yes I see it looks rude.
Rather than hop over to the ES350 Forum, please come check it out when you have time
You'll see your rattle prediction or feeling panned out, some have missing body welds as the cause, and you'll see the depth of member complaints on polls of trans, wind noise, diesel engine like sounds, other.
11-24-06 | 07:50 PM
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Get the VIN of that loaner you drove, it's a keeper for sure.
I'm on my second and would gladly take one with no diesel engine noise at any volume and no wind noise. Rattles don't bother me as they do others, unless they are weld related.
11-24-06 | 08:03 PM
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Did you get the loaner at or above 45 mph for any period of time as that is when you really start to notice it if you are going to? If you were mostly in city like traffic, stop and go you may have missed it.
11-24-06 | 08:10 PM
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We have many that either do not have wind noise or do not have diesel engine knocking tapping noise and some who have neither and some who have both and then other issues posting about it, over 107 in one poll many indicating one or more and some indicating none.
Did you get the loaner at or above 45 mph for any period of time as that is when you really start to notice it if you are going to? If you were mostly in city like traffic, stop and go you may have missed it.
Did you get the loaner at or above 45 mph for any period of time as that is when you really start to notice it if you are going to? If you were mostly in city like traffic, stop and go you may have missed it.
11-25-06 | 11:40 PM
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Bob, does this " diesel " noise go away as the engine warms up and the oil gets hot? If so, it is possible that your engine could have what is called " piston slap ". This is a problem not normally associated with Toyota or Lexus, but can occur if there were some problems with tolerances in the plant when the engine was built.
Piston slap occurs when there is a slight amount of clearance between the piston rings and cylinder walls......more than there should be...and in the joint where the connecting rod swivels back and forth around the piston while going up and down. If there is too much play in these areas, the pistons will not go up and down silently but will " slap " against the cylinder walls, and the connecting rods will rattle at the base of the pistons...this, until the parts expand with engine heat and the oil helps seal it up. It might be accompanied by some oil use.
Like 1SICK pointed out, this is not normally a Toyota-Lexus problem, but can occur even in Toyota-Lexus engine plants. All auto brands occasionally have a run with factory defects.
Piston slap occurs when there is a slight amount of clearance between the piston rings and cylinder walls......more than there should be...and in the joint where the connecting rod swivels back and forth around the piston while going up and down. If there is too much play in these areas, the pistons will not go up and down silently but will " slap " against the cylinder walls, and the connecting rods will rattle at the base of the pistons...this, until the parts expand with engine heat and the oil helps seal it up. It might be accompanied by some oil use.
Like 1SICK pointed out, this is not normally a Toyota-Lexus problem, but can occur even in Toyota-Lexus engine plants. All auto brands occasionally have a run with factory defects.
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11-25-06 | 11:49 PM
#24
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Infiniti was way up with Lexus for a number of years but then plummeted after its Renault ownership.
11-26-06 | 12:18 AM
#25
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It's funny how someone has gone through 3 different ES vehicles, all with major problems.
You'd think after one they'd stay away, and after the 2nd they'd ask for a refund rather than another car. It's almost like someone is a troll who is just trying to disrupt the board.
Anyways 1st year models always are problematic. In terms of reliability the 1st yr Avalon scored low on CR's survey.
You'd think after one they'd stay away, and after the 2nd they'd ask for a refund rather than another car. It's almost like someone is a troll who is just trying to disrupt the board.
Anyways 1st year models always are problematic. In terms of reliability the 1st yr Avalon scored low on CR's survey.
11-26-06 | 12:24 AM
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But Toyota, lately, shows some signs of slipping...as with the 2007 Camry automatic transmissions.
11-27-06 | 06:27 AM
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When you deny any repair and leave people stuck with a problem that is not the same thing as a lessor number of repairs in a tally of repairs in the classic sense.
Diesel engine knocking tapping and wind noise are two routinely denied repairs because there is a blatant denial there is a problem.
Several owners have been told their slipping transmissions are learning instead of slipping, repairs denied.
These non-repairs cannot ethically be used to help in a count of lessor repair incidents on these cars.
Diesel engine knocking tapping and wind noise are two routinely denied repairs because there is a blatant denial there is a problem.
Several owners have been told their slipping transmissions are learning instead of slipping, repairs denied.
These non-repairs cannot ethically be used to help in a count of lessor repair incidents on these cars.
11-27-06 | 07:14 AM
#28
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While I don't personally discredit CR's testing methods - a lot of people and controversies do.
Please explain how CR is 'the best data in the business for auto reliability' so that I can see if you know something I don't.
11-27-06 | 07:27 AM
#29
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It's funny how someone has gone through 3 different ES vehicles, all with major problems.
You'd think after one they'd stay away, and after the 2nd they'd ask for a refund rather than another car. It's almost like someone is a troll who is just trying to disrupt the board.
Anyways 1st year models always are problematic. In terms of reliability the 1st yr Avalon scored low on CR's survey.
You'd think after one they'd stay away, and after the 2nd they'd ask for a refund rather than another car. It's almost like someone is a troll who is just trying to disrupt the board.
Anyways 1st year models always are problematic. In terms of reliability the 1st yr Avalon scored low on CR's survey.
I may have overlooked it but who posted they have gone through 3 ES350 cars?
I do know several who have gone through 2 and called it quits with the ES and posted their displeasure about the second one having issues on the ES forum. I also know of a local, the same who asked for a buyback.
11-27-06 | 07:33 AM
#30
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Bob, does this " diesel " noise go away as the engine warms up and the oil gets hot? If so, it is possible that your engine could have what is called " piston slap ". This is a problem not normally associated with Toyota or Lexus, but can occur if there were some problems with tolerances in the plant when the engine was built.
Piston slap occurs when there is a slight amount of clearance between the piston rings and cylinder walls......more than there should be...and in the joint where the connecting rod swivels back and forth around the piston while going up and down. If there is too much play in these areas, the pistons will not go up and down silently but will " slap " against the cylinder walls, and the connecting rods will rattle at the base of the pistons...this, until the parts expand with engine heat and the oil helps seal it up. It might be accompanied by some oil use.
Like 1SICK pointed out, this is not normally a Toyota-Lexus problem, but can occur even in Toyota-Lexus engine plants. All auto brands occasionally have a run with factory defects.
Piston slap occurs when there is a slight amount of clearance between the piston rings and cylinder walls......more than there should be...and in the joint where the connecting rod swivels back and forth around the piston while going up and down. If there is too much play in these areas, the pistons will not go up and down silently but will " slap " against the cylinder walls, and the connecting rods will rattle at the base of the pistons...this, until the parts expand with engine heat and the oil helps seal it up. It might be accompanied by some oil use.
Like 1SICK pointed out, this is not normally a Toyota-Lexus problem, but can occur even in Toyota-Lexus engine plants. All auto brands occasionally have a run with factory defects.
There are many members posting they have this and they are not trolls trying to ruin any board or trying to brand bash anything.
Seems reality is not meant for everyone, some get all flustered when experiencing it.