Dec 2006 and 2006 Year End Sales aka Lexus #1 again

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01-03-07, 02:50 PM

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I wonder if there will ever be a CL thread that doesn't degrade into a Lexus vs BMW argument?

I wonder if there will ever be a CL thread where people don't criticize Lexus for being Lexus, or for being successful, on ClubLexus of all places.

01-03-07, 02:54 PM

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I wonder if there will ever be a CL thread where people don't criticize Lexus for being Lexus, or for being successful, on ClubLexus of all places.

I agree Lexus has many qualities, yet some people on the board insist on even attacking those.

Anyways both BMW and Lexus are doing exceedingly well, and Toyota has higher profit margins than BMW.

01-03-07, 02:54 PM

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What Gene was saying is that without the gains by the IS and ES models, Lexus sales would not have been too hot.

But enough of that topic

I am surprised that XC90 sales and A3 sales were down for December. The XC90 got a nice new engine and the A3 (at least in 4cyl trim) has not gotten a bad review yet. Thoughts anyone?

01-03-07, 02:57 PM

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First off, WTF does BMW have to do with that statement? Pointing at other manufacturers to somehow add "credibility" to your statement seems to be a trend here and in other threads. Please stop the shell game and address the post head on.

Back on topic..

How is my comment "hypothetical". The reality is that Lexus Car sales would in fact show a significant drop had it not been for the new IS. Is that such a bad thing?

Sigh, avoids the BMW kool-aid.....

01-03-07, 02:59 PM

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No American likes a boring "luxury" hatchback priced too high?

01-03-07, 03:00 PM

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Yeah, but damn, why don't we say that about ALL car makers. Hey, lets take out 2 hot selling cars and see how the brand does! What a genius concept.

Its ridiculous.

Lexus was flamed b/c the IS sold poor in its first gen and ES sales were down before the redesign. Now the IS is kicking *** and the ES met sales targets and Lexus is still getting flamed.

I don't even see ridiculous anti-Lexus statements like those on BMW forums. But I get to login here everyday and read it.

01-03-07, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Jones

I agree Lexus has many qualities, yet some people on the board insist on even attacking those.

Anyways both BMW and Lexus are doing exceedingly well, and Toyota has higher profit margins than BMW.

I wonder if Lexus as a division has higher profit margins than BMW.

01-03-07, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by doug_999

What Gene was saying is that without the gains by the IS and ES models, Lexus sales would not have been too hot.

But enough of that topic

I am surprised that XC90 sales and A3 sales were down for December. The XC90 got a nice new engine and the A3 (at least in 4cyl trim) has not gotten a bad review yet. Thoughts anyone?

And what I was replying with was that this is wrong. But yes, enough of this silly topic. It seems to consistently come up every month in the sales thread, and typically by the same group of members.

01-03-07, 03:03 PM

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I wonder if Lexus as a division has higher profit margins than BMW.

I don't know about total net profits, but I remember reading somewhere that Lexus had either approached BMW's profit margins, or may have even exceeded them.

01-03-07, 03:07 PM

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GM sales:

http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayS...=2&docid=31596

01-03-07, 03:07 PM

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I wonder if Lexus as a division has higher profit margins than BMW.

Ofcourse they do. Toyota has higher profit than BMW, and according to Businessweek, Lexus is the most profitable division Toyota has.

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With profit margins almost double those for nonluxury vehicles, Lexus sales go a long way toward explaining how Toyota earned $4 billion from North America alone last year.

01-03-07, 03:15 PM

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No American likes a boring "luxury" hatchback priced too high?

I dunno - maybe on the too high part -but rumor has it the car is a blast. It was on my list of cars to consider a year ago and if I was the "Millionaire next door" I would be driving one

01-03-07, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by genearch

Lexus has done well, but to be perfectly honest without the IS and to a far lesser degree the ES they would be in the tank... bigtime.

ES 350 8,736 6,770 34.0 75,987 67,577 12.8
LS 430/460 -24.7
SC 430 4 -29.8
GS 300 -14.6
GS 430/450h -33.9
IS 250/350 244.8

amazingly, BMW fans were nowhere to be found in past 3 months ... lol.

01-03-07, 03:21 PM

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I believe that Porsche has the highest profit margin per unit sold.

01-03-07, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by genearch

I was not looking at Dec numbers, but the year in total.

Here is the distribution across the Lexus Car line:

ES 45%
LS 17%
SC 6%
GS 18%
GS430/450 4%
IS250/350 10%

IS had 4.5x less sales than ES? Something is wrong there, as IS had 29.5% of Lexus car sales.

Of course, BMW is more reliant on their cheapest model - 3 series than Lexus is on ES or IS or RX or LS...

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