JZA80MHU38

Maybe just personal opinion. BTW, I have a 2ZZ in my Matrix too. Don't really like it, but it gets the job done as a beater.

mavericck

Not too shabby indeed, I couldn't find the same information for the 2.0T...oh well.

mavericck

I've driven both an Elise and a Celica and in the Celica it was anemic, and that is definately the word I would use to describe it. Of course in the much lighter elise, it wasn't anemic. But the engine itself lacks power and that was evident in the top end acceleration of the elise and in the lower RPMs.

I can imagine the straight line performance of the elise being around 20%-30% better with the VW 2.0T engine with it's much flatter power and torque curves and also higher peak hp and torque (which is available at very low RPMs).

mavericck

I most definately am not commenting based solely on some mag reviews, I've driven Corolla's, Celicas, MR2 Syders, and an Elise and I am definately not impressed with that engine at all. I was impressed with the Elise's chassis and low weight, not so much it's engine.

JZA80MHU38

Do you mean "top end" as of vehicle speed (130 mph + acceleration) or engine speed (pass 6000 rpm)? Because the 2ZZ sure "feels" pulling harder once the cam profile switched when rpm swings high enough.

mavericck

Top end acceleration and top speed (which is due to lack of hp) and at low engine speeds the lack of torque is evident as well.

JessePS

Lucky VW or should I say Porsche seeing Porsche is buying up more of VW now.

spwolf

you certainly didnt drive MR2 with "that" engine, since it was never put in the MR2, except for few hundred MR2 fans who did it themselves.

Yeah, Elise is dead slow with its 4.4 sec 0-60 and 13.2 1/4 mile...

even more so, over 6k, 2zzg is crazy fast engine, something that has to be experienced to be believed...

Nice story.

mavericck

I never called the Elise "dead slow"...quit putting words in my mouth. I said it lacked top end acceleration and low end grunt. basically you have to rev the crap out of it to get any power. They have decent acceleration times and 1/4 mile times but there are better engines they could have put in the elise, such as the 2.0T. The only reason the Elise makes those good acceleration times is because of its' low weight.

Maybe it wasn't in the MR2 spyder (my mistake), but it was in the Celica and I've described how I felt about that car and its' engine. I've experienced it and I believe it was a decent engine for the elise but it could have been better if it had more power for top end acceleration.

cheers

spwolf

I dont need to put words in your mouth, you are doing fine yourself...

What speed did you drive elise at?

mavericck

You're right I am doing fine with the original words that I said and I don't need someone to start saying that I said something that I didn't. At about 100mph you could feel the acceleration start to taper off and by about 120mph or so it was really running out of steam and I could tell it would take a while to reach it's top speed of around 140mph or so.

BTW your last sentence could really use the word "the" in it.

spwolf

at least I didnt say I drove 2zz MRS, did I?

You are right about elise in that sense - it is not built to go over 200kmh, which is why it does fine 0-60, 1/4 mile.

I am not so sure that turbo elise would be better - strong turbo like in 2.0 VW engines would offset delicate balance of car, definetly would not help in autox, and of course, at high rpm, turbo's run out of steam, and 2.0T engine doesnt have significantly more torque or power than 2zz engine at high rpms, and its rev limiter hits some 1.5k lower than Elise's.


p.s. please dont spell check me - it is internet forum, not english class. Not using "the" properly doesnt compare well to claiming to drive the car that never existed.

spwolf

but to move back to original topic, it is good for Lotus that they will finally get some development money, so things like Lotus Europa dont repeat again...

JessePS

One thing maybe now Lotus will have semi-auto so like the DSG for lazy people like me *drools*

Just too bad Toyota did not buy Lotus/Proton would of been nice.

spwolf

Lotus DSG, heh :-). Oxymoron there, but I am sure VW will milk it every way it can :-).