New BMW 7-series will come with 8-speed transmission
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An 8-speed tranny is not something I would call "playing the catch-up game". What exactly is the "real" benefit of an 8-speed tranny versus a 7-speed tranny?
Lexus brought out the 8-speed tranny merely to eclipse the 7-speed tranny in the S-class. It is completely unnecessary and serves absolutely no real purpose other than bragging rights.
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Driver-selectable Comfort mode starts the vehicle moving in 2nd gear or a second Reverse gear, and upshifts at lower rpm to help improve control on slippery surfaces.
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Some of these comments amaze me. So you want to **** on an 8 speed auto but its okay if
1. Cars have 8 pistons brakes
2. Cars have 500hp
3. Cars get bigger and bigger
4. Nav screens get bigger
5. Wheels and Tires are now 19" standard on many cars.
etc etc
If your going to bish, well bish about everything that is more in cars. Not just the 8 speed tranny.
THE FACTS Are
The Lexus 8-speed:
1) Occupies the same space as the previous 6-speed
2) Uses 10% fewer parts than the 6-speed
3) Weighs less than the 6-speed
4) Better Acceleration
5) Better Fuel Economy
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...16509
1. Cars have 8 pistons brakes
2. Cars have 500hp
3. Cars get bigger and bigger
4. Nav screens get bigger
5. Wheels and Tires are now 19" standard on many cars.
etc etc
If your going to bish, well bish about everything that is more in cars. Not just the 8 speed tranny.
THE FACTS Are
The Lexus 8-speed:
1) Occupies the same space as the previous 6-speed
2) Uses 10% fewer parts than the 6-speed
3) Weighs less than the 6-speed
4) Better Acceleration
5) Better Fuel Economy
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...16509
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An 8-speed tranny is not something I would call "playing the catch-up game". What exactly is the "real" benefit of an 8-speed tranny versus a 7-speed tranny?
Lexus brought out the 8-speed tranny merely to eclipse the 7-speed tranny in the S-class. It is completely unnecessary and serves absolutely no real purpose other than bragging rights.
Lexus brought out the 8-speed tranny merely to eclipse the 7-speed tranny in the S-class. It is completely unnecessary and serves absolutely no real purpose other than bragging rights.
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They maybe playing catch up to Toyota/Lexus in terms of hybrids, however I doubt very much they will be playing catchup in anything else.
An 8-speed tranny is not something I would call "playing the catch-up game". What exactly is the "real" benefit of an 8-speed tranny versus a 7-speed tranny?
Lexus brought out the 8-speed tranny merely to eclipse the 7-speed tranny in the S-class. It is completely unnecessary and serves absolutely no real purpose other than bragging rights.
An 8-speed tranny is not something I would call "playing the catch-up game". What exactly is the "real" benefit of an 8-speed tranny versus a 7-speed tranny?
Lexus brought out the 8-speed tranny merely to eclipse the 7-speed tranny in the S-class. It is completely unnecessary and serves absolutely no real purpose other than bragging rights.
I very much doubt many of the LS460 owners on our forums call the 8 speed "completely unnecessary".
We're talking about luxury cars, or more to the point, prestige luxury cars. This has never been BMW's strong point. Mercedes has always been associated historically with prestige luxury, while BMW has always been associated with sport luxury.
Many LS460 owners remark on how much smoother the tranny is compared to an LS430, or even compared to the new S Class. Many owners also love the class-leading fuel economy.
Yes, the 8 speed is a bragging right, but there were legitimate reasons for developing this 8 speed.
Using your logic, a 6 speed is unnecessary, and we should all be driving 2 or 3 speed cars.
The 8 speed tranny provides a new level of luxury, among other things.
Some critics have remarked that the Tundra's 6 speed is not a big deal compared to GM's 4 speed trucks. In fact, it is a big deal, and it shows in testing and in reviews.
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The new LS handily outclasses the 7 Series in terms of safety technology, and even beats the S Class by a narrow margin in terms of safety. A rear pre-crash safety system? The S Class doesn't have that. A driver monitoring system? No other competitor has that either.
I very much doubt many of the LS460 owners on our forums call the 8 speed "completely unnecessary".
We're talking about luxury cars, or more to the point, prestige luxury cars. This has never been BMW's strong point. Mercedes has always been associated historically with prestige luxury, while BMW has always been associated with sport luxury.
Many LS460 owners remark on how much smoother the tranny is compared to an LS430, or even compared to the new S Class. Many owners also love the class-leading fuel economy.
Yes, the 8 speed is a bragging right, but there were legitimate reasons for developing this 8 speed.
Using your logic, a 6 speed is unnecessary, and we should all be driving 2 or 3 speed cars.
The 8 speed tranny provides a new level of luxury, among other things.
Some critics have remarked that the Tundra's 6 speed is not a big deal compared to GM's 4 speed trucks. In fact, it is a big deal, and it shows in testing and in reviews.
I very much doubt many of the LS460 owners on our forums call the 8 speed "completely unnecessary".
We're talking about luxury cars, or more to the point, prestige luxury cars. This has never been BMW's strong point. Mercedes has always been associated historically with prestige luxury, while BMW has always been associated with sport luxury.
Many LS460 owners remark on how much smoother the tranny is compared to an LS430, or even compared to the new S Class. Many owners also love the class-leading fuel economy.
Yes, the 8 speed is a bragging right, but there were legitimate reasons for developing this 8 speed.
Using your logic, a 6 speed is unnecessary, and we should all be driving 2 or 3 speed cars.
The 8 speed tranny provides a new level of luxury, among other things.
Some critics have remarked that the Tundra's 6 speed is not a big deal compared to GM's 4 speed trucks. In fact, it is a big deal, and it shows in testing and in reviews.
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There are systems and features on both cars that one doesn't have and the other has. For instance, the MB has Night Vision and Drive-Dynamic seats that hug you in a corner and the Lexus has LED headlights and reclining Ottoman seats.
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THE FACTS Are
The Lexus 8-speed:
1) Occupies the same space as the previous 6-speed
2) Uses 10% fewer parts than the 6-speed
3) Weighs less than the 6-speed
4) Better Acceleration
5) Better Fuel Economy
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...16509
The Lexus 8-speed:
1) Occupies the same space as the previous 6-speed
2) Uses 10% fewer parts than the 6-speed
3) Weighs less than the 6-speed
4) Better Acceleration
5) Better Fuel Economy
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...16509
fuel economy and smoothness are two facts that come up my mind right the way. the s class and 7 series don't shift as smooth as the ls460 at all. while it could be a bit bragging rights to lexus, but you can't say they are "completely" unnecessary and serves "absolutely" no purpose unless you have "real" proofs imho.
The new LS handily outclasses the 7 Series in terms of safety technology, and even beats the S Class by a narrow margin in terms of safety. A rear pre-crash safety system? The S Class doesn't have that. A driver monitoring system? No other competitor has that either.
I very much doubt many of the LS460 owners on our forums call the 8 speed "completely unnecessary".
We're talking about luxury cars, or more to the point, prestige luxury cars. This has never been BMW's strong point. Mercedes has always been associated historically with prestige luxury, while BMW has always been associated with sport luxury.
Many LS460 owners remark on how much smoother the tranny is compared to an LS430, or even compared to the new S Class. Many owners also love the class-leading fuel economy.
Yes, the 8 speed is a bragging right, but there were legitimate reasons for developing this 8 speed.
I very much doubt many of the LS460 owners on our forums call the 8 speed "completely unnecessary".
We're talking about luxury cars, or more to the point, prestige luxury cars. This has never been BMW's strong point. Mercedes has always been associated historically with prestige luxury, while BMW has always been associated with sport luxury.
Many LS460 owners remark on how much smoother the tranny is compared to an LS430, or even compared to the new S Class. Many owners also love the class-leading fuel economy.
Yes, the 8 speed is a bragging right, but there were legitimate reasons for developing this 8 speed.
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But once a potential customer is told about 6, 7, 8+ airbags, active belts, brakes, plus an alphabet soup of DSC, ABC, VDIM, RSC, and on and on, the differences blur and become pretty meaningless.
A rear pre-crash safety system? The S Class doesn't have that. A driver monitoring system? No other competitor has that either.
Many LS460 owners remark on how much smoother the tranny is compared to an LS430, or even compared to the new S Class. Many owners also love the class-leading fuel economy.
Some critics have remarked that the Tundra's 6 speed is not a big deal compared to GM's 4 speed trucks. In fact, it is a big deal, and it shows in testing and in reviews.