But if Lexus is going to stick a 600 badge on their flagship, it better be able to compete with its competitors.

 

The numbers are based on if the engine was a traditonal engine with 2 more cylinders.
The RX 400h does indeed perform and have the numbers of a 4.0 V-8 SUV.
The GS 450h does the same, performing like a 4.5 liter V-8.

The only odd thing is the 600h is jumping from 8 cylinders to 12 hypothetically, instead of the performance of a V-10.

Either rocks!

 

You don't think the LS 600 can compete with it's competion?

 

The 12 cyclinder BMW 760iL has about the same at 438 HP and that's the "sports car" in the high luxury class. And, like the MB's, it is much more expensive and can't even begin to compare on technological appointments.

If a neck snapping 430+ HP isn't enough for you, then what is?

 

760 is rather old, and its sales numbers are so insignificant, it almost doesn't count. BMW has a v10 engine with 500hp in the M5, and the future 7 series will probably receive one of its variants. But even then, its still making 8 more HP than LS600.

Audi has S8 with 450hp V10, and the W12 also making 450hp, and both of these older engines are still more powerful than Lexus newest offering.

Both Audi and BMW will get updated soon and Lexus as usual will get stuck being the underperformer.

 

Because the other cars are playing catch up now to Lexus.

 

No. Just no. It doesn't hold a candle to S600.

Now don't get me wrong, it is a great car, and I believe LS460L is much superior to 750L, S550, and A8L, however the LS600 is too little too late.

 

Great excuses. Now let me ask you this. Where are the German Hybrids at? People constatly bish about Lexus not having something, well the Germans have no answer to hybrids.

The stats on the hybrogen 7 are laughable. Your arguing a point even Lexus doesn't want to argue. They stated they are doing things the NEW way, hybrids. Not just adding more cylinders, anyone can do that.

IMO, both ways are great ways.

 

It's ridiculous to think that everytime a new model comes out it has to have more HP than the rest of the class. When does it ever stop? 1,000 HP sedans? 1,500 HP sedans? With Och's reasoning, it would eventually lead to that.

 

Did everyone overlook the fact that it's going to be All wheel drive, or am I just late to the party?

 

So let them make a V12 TT-H to show MB who's boss.

 

OK, the two cars on my short list right now are the LS600hL and the S8. I had a previous bad experience with BMW that will keep me away from them (as if their new styling wouldn't by itself), and MB reliability is simply too poor for cars at this price point.

I'm not comparing HP figures, or 0-60 times, or skidpad figures, or anything like that. I know that both of these cars will be competent to outstanding performers. I'm more concerned with things like ergonomics, aesthetics, and build quality. And it will take a detailed look, in person, at both cars to make a fair comparison. I'm hardly going to make a decision like this based on magazine comparos or web board opinions.

That being said, to me the LS600hL is absolutely in the same league as the A8/S8, S550, and 750i. It is not in the same league as the S600/55/65 or 760i, but that's because those cars are premium priced simply to be exclusive. No one, NO ONE needs that much power in a street sedan. At that point it's all about bragging rights.

 

So Och, I'm guessing you drive one of the V12's? Because it seems like you won't settle for anything less.

Maybe you wouldn't, but I'd take Lexus' new V8 mated with the latest hybrid technology before a V12 anyday.

 

i hear ya henry...i was getting it then i moved went online signed up and now am pissed because my client called me and told me about it but i don't have it!

 

lol you let numbers speak like that? that's very sad

760 indicates 600 as well, you want to go blame bmw?