Consumer Reports Jan 07. Rav4 beats X3/RDX/FX35....
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Wow, those people with M3's and 3 series on the track must be idiots. I guess they don't read R&T and consequently have no idea their car is not a good as a truck on the track.
But yeah, you can believe a truck will outhandle a car just because some number you read in a magazine says so.
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But yeah, you can believe a truck will outhandle a car just because some number you read in a magazine says so.
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http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/BMW/2006/M5/
Anyway, if i was in the market for a faster BMW, I would of bought one
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http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/X3/30si/techdata.htm
Both have the same roof load. 165lbs
The wagon can have more of a payload
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The wagon is 500lbs less and has a lower drag cd.
The wagon has more passenger volume
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http://www.bmwusa.com/Vehicles/3/328...on/compare.htm
I am trying to find the wagon cargo capacity.
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Skidpad numbers are only a very small part of the story - they alone are almost meaningless when it comes to representing handling performance, especially when the numbers are generated under different environmental conditions and on different pads.
You can always tell people that don't understand racing dynamics by the ones that cling to skidpad values as the answer to every handling comparison.
The X3 is just absolutely not going to outhandle a 3-series sedan or coupe, much less an M3. The X3 gets its suspension and chassis setup from the 3 series but is heavier and sits up higher, so logic would dictate it couldn't exceed the capabilities of the 3 series from which its derived.
You can always tell people that don't understand racing dynamics by the ones that cling to skidpad values as the answer to every handling comparison.
The X3 is just absolutely not going to outhandle a 3-series sedan or coupe, much less an M3. The X3 gets its suspension and chassis setup from the 3 series but is heavier and sits up higher, so logic would dictate it couldn't exceed the capabilities of the 3 series from which its derived.
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Not sure what owning has to do with anything. Most car reviewers own an older car, they don't own 911s or Ferraris.
It is fine for you to like the X3, clearly, you own it. Univerally though, it is the other way around.
Skidpad numbers are a number. If you really keep the argument the X3 handles better or as good as a M5 or M3 b/c of a number, one number, when those cars are universally praised for their handling, then no point in debating with you.
It is fine for you to like the X3, clearly, you own it. Univerally though, it is the other way around.
Skidpad numbers are a number. If you really keep the argument the X3 handles better or as good as a M5 or M3 b/c of a number, one number, when those cars are universally praised for their handling, then no point in debating with you.
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Perhaps braking, slalom, and other stats would hush the critics..But this is indeed preaching to the choir..Once again, lol... none of you who are bashing the vehicle owned or driven the vehicle. Perhaps in 1:18 scale? I am actually selling those in the classifieds including an sc430
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Perhaps braking, slalom, and other stats would hush the critics..But this is indeed preaching to the choir..Once again, lol... none of you who are bashing the vehicle owned or driven the vehicle. Perhaps in 1:18 scale? I am actually selling those in the classifieds including an sc430![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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Perhaps braking, slalom, and other stats would hush the critics..But this is indeed preaching to the choir..Once again, lol... none of you who are bashing the vehicle owned or driven the vehicle. Perhaps in 1:18 scale? I am actually selling those in the classifieds including an sc430![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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Ok let get past the ying yang talk now.. To get back on topic, here is a vid of the top two Suv's in the Consumer Reports going head to head. The Euro version of the 06 Rav 4 is as small as my 02 Rav4. The US market gets the longer version of the 06 Rav4
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?p=...UTF-8%26b%3D11
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?p=...UTF-8%26b%3D11