Edmunds Comparo: Audi RS4 vs. BMW M5
03-07-07, 01:07 PM
#31
It all depends on how aggressive the system is. The older VSC system Lexus used was/is a death warrant. Get a little wheel spin while entering a busy street and the computer will take 80% of your power away and leave you helpless until you back off the gas even if you have traction midway into the turn.
03-07-07, 03:31 PM
#32
Lexus Champion
You sure about that? Can you describe what happened? I had a 99 GS400 that I'm quite sure the VSC was completely off when I turned it off - runs on the 1/4-mile track and plenty of donuts proved that. Granted, it won't turn off ABS, and your throttle is still electronically controlled no matter what - so maybe it's an issue with your throttle control itself?
03-07-07, 05:48 PM
#33
You sure about that? Can you describe what happened? I had a 99 GS400 that I'm quite sure the VSC was completely off when I turned it off - runs on the 1/4-mile track and plenty of donuts proved that. Granted, it won't turn off ABS, and your throttle is still electronically controlled no matter what - so maybe it's an issue with your throttle control itself?
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=203833
See posts #1 and #32. I think whats happening is when you shut VSC off, only traction control shuts off, but the system will still apply brakes or whatever its doing.
03-08-07, 07:32 AM
#34
EV ftw!!!
03-08-07, 07:41 AM
#35
Super Moderator
This is why I always said that regular BMW's are a prime example of mediocrity; And their “M” models are just over-clocked mediocrity – sure they are fast, but they are unreliable. It’s just silly with M3 engines blowing up and burning oil, and M5 transmissions not being able to handle the power. I’d take Audi “S” models and MB “AMG” models over BMW” M” models anytime.
News of the subpar manual-trannied M5 is disappointing, to be sure, but it's unfair to paint an entire brand because of a disappointing limited edition of a limited edition. I'm a member of one of the most active boards on the e46 3-series (which includes the M3) with almost 90k members, and I can't find a single post in the last 2.5 years regarding a blown engine. And these are guys who (like most car forums) ***** about their cars constantly. There are quite a few engines that are blown--as in forced induction--and running just fine, but none that are actually dead. My own 3er has been quite reliable, needing only a pair of (free) window regulators (which were faulty on pretty much every german car manufactured between 1999 and 2001), a Final Stage Resistor ($61) and a set of (free) brakes over its 7 years and 70k miles. My parents Avalon, while typical Toyota quality, has had more broken things than that.
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03-08-07, 09:00 AM
#36
News of the subpar manual-trannied M5 is disappointing, to be sure, but it's unfair to paint an entire brand because of a disappointing limited edition of a limited edition. I'm a member of one of the most active boards on the e46 3-series (which includes the M3) with almost 90k members, and I can't find a single post in the last 2.5 years regarding a blown engine. And these are guys who (like most car forums) ***** about their cars constantly. There are quite a few engines that are blown--as in forced induction--and running just fine, but none that are actually dead. My own 3er has been quite reliable, needing only a pair of (free) window regulators (which were faulty on pretty much every german car manufactured between 1999 and 2001), a Final Stage Resistor ($61) and a set of (free) brakes over its 7 years and 70k miles. My parents Avalon, while typical Toyota quality, has had more broken things than that.
Legendary BMW reliability did not disappoint. Thus far, the only repairs the BMW flagship sedan has required, aside from routine maintainence, were replacing the fuel pump at 300,000 miles, and changing the airconditioning compressor at 100,000 miles later. At the risk of sounding like someone who has one an Academy Award, I would like to recognize a few of the BMW personnel at Tomkinson BMW in Fort Wayne Indiana who have participated in this milestone.
Last edited by DASHOCKER; 03-08-07 at 09:17 AM. Reason: stuck keys
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