GM targets 2010 production for electric car...
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General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM - news) has set a target for production of an all-electric car in 2010, GM's product chief and Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said on Tuesday.
Lutz said the major uncertainty facing the Chevrolet Volt, a concept vehicle GM unveiled in January, was whether lithium-ion batteries can be developed to power it economically and safely.
A running Volt prototype is expected by the end of 2007, he said, adding that GM would take the unusual step of opening much of its development process to the media.
"We have set an internal target of production in 2010. Whether we can make that or not, this is still kind of an unpredictable program for us," Lutz told reporters on the sidelines of the Geneva auto show.
He added: "We're sort of outside our comfort zone."
GM detailed its broad plans for the all-electric Volt at the Detroit auto show, but the world's No. 1 automaker declined then to disclose a production timeline.
Some critics and competitors questioned whether GM, which has been hurt recently by its association with gas-guzzling sport utility vehicles and trucks, would produce the Volt or might just look to capitalize on the favorable attention that its concept car generated.
"Competitors who write this off as a PR exercise are going to be brutally surprised," Lutz said.
Electric cars, including plug-in hybrids like the Volt, have drawn strong support from U.S. environmental groups, which see such vehicles as a way to reduce oil consumption and greenhouse gas emissions since they can d be recharged with power drawn from a cleaner-burning electric grid.
GM scrapped an earlier experiment with an electric car marketed in California as the EV1, an unpopular decision that made it the target of criticism and the 2006 documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
But GM billed the Volt as a return to the once-failed idea of a mass-market electric car. The Volt is intended to draw its power exclusively from a next-generation battery pack capable of being recharged by a small onboard engine or a normal electric outlet.
GM has said it is aiming for the Volt to be able to run for 40 miles on pure electric power, meaning many commuters would be able to get through a day without using gasoline.
Lutz said GM's initial work had shown that the production version of the Volt would have to shed some of the bold styling cues of the concept, including the extreme front placement of the wheels.
"I know we cannot make the production car look like the concept," he said. "The whole shape of the car is going to have to be a little more traditional."
Lutz also said there was still a chance that the concept could prove unworkable. "I would say there is still a 10 percent chance this will fail," he said.
Separately, Lutz said GM's 11-percent rise in U.S. retail sales in February suggested that the automaker was starting to find traction with new products after a wrenching restructuring that cut over 34,000 factory jobs.
"One swallow does not a summer make, but I think it's turning," he said.
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Originally Posted by By Kevin Krolicki
General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM - news) has set a target for production of an all-electric car in 2010, GM's product chief and Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said on Tuesday.
Lutz said the major uncertainty facing the Chevrolet Volt, a concept vehicle GM unveiled in January, was whether lithium-ion batteries can be developed to power it economically and safely.
A running Volt prototype is expected by the end of 2007, he said, adding that GM would take the unusual step of opening much of its development process to the media.
"We have set an internal target of production in 2010. Whether we can make that or not, this is still kind of an unpredictable program for us," Lutz told reporters on the sidelines of the Geneva auto show.
He added: "We're sort of outside our comfort zone."
GM detailed its broad plans for the all-electric Volt at the Detroit auto show, but the world's No. 1 automaker declined then to disclose a production timeline.
Some critics and competitors questioned whether GM, which has been hurt recently by its association with gas-guzzling sport utility vehicles and trucks, would produce the Volt or might just look to capitalize on the favorable attention that its concept car generated.
"Competitors who write this off as a PR exercise are going to be brutally surprised," Lutz said.
Electric cars, including plug-in hybrids like the Volt, have drawn strong support from U.S. environmental groups, which see such vehicles as a way to reduce oil consumption and greenhouse gas emissions since they can d be recharged with power drawn from a cleaner-burning electric grid.
GM scrapped an earlier experiment with an electric car marketed in California as the EV1, an unpopular decision that made it the target of criticism and the 2006 documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
But GM billed the Volt as a return to the once-failed idea of a mass-market electric car. The Volt is intended to draw its power exclusively from a next-generation battery pack capable of being recharged by a small onboard engine or a normal electric outlet.
GM has said it is aiming for the Volt to be able to run for 40 miles on pure electric power, meaning many commuters would be able to get through a day without using gasoline.
Lutz said GM's initial work had shown that the production version of the Volt would have to shed some of the bold styling cues of the concept, including the extreme front placement of the wheels.
"I know we cannot make the production car look like the concept," he said. "The whole shape of the car is going to have to be a little more traditional."
Lutz also said there was still a chance that the concept could prove unworkable. "I would say there is still a 10 percent chance this will fail," he said.
Separately, Lutz said GM's 11-percent rise in U.S. retail sales in February suggested that the automaker was starting to find traction with new products after a wrenching restructuring that cut over 34,000 factory jobs.
"One swallow does not a summer make, but I think it's turning," he said.
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GM is still behind, way behind. By 2010 Toyota would have already released the third generation Pruis with lithium ion batteries and they would be working on the fourth generation Prius that should get 100 miles to the gallon...
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Public view and perception of GM is at an all time low. It's no longer about pleasing the oil companies; it's about surviving in a green-conscious world.
GM is missing one thing: a well-made, fuel efficient, and reliable family sedan. This can help change that.
GM is years behind the technology and engineering of its biggest competitors in family sedan category. The Camry alone practically rapes the Chevy Malibu, Pontiac G6, and Saturn Aura in combined sales (sure, they "handle" better. Can they call on anything else?). Hell, even the Ford Fusion has more hype than those three mentioned.
I don't think an electric car will save GM. However, the green image and perception will help them please a few more consumers.
GM is missing one thing: a well-made, fuel efficient, and reliable family sedan. This can help change that.
GM is years behind the technology and engineering of its biggest competitors in family sedan category. The Camry alone practically rapes the Chevy Malibu, Pontiac G6, and Saturn Aura in combined sales (sure, they "handle" better. Can they call on anything else?). Hell, even the Ford Fusion has more hype than those three mentioned.
I don't think an electric car will save GM. However, the green image and perception will help them please a few more consumers.
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There's an excellent editorial by Patrick Bedard in the April '07 Car And Driver. I can't find it online so can't post a link.
It's titled "Betting Big On A Battery - Again. Dreams, and the press, and dreamers in the press, go full-court cuckoo for electric cars."
In it, he points out that the hybrids today can barely operate at all under electric only power, that the batteries in Toyota's hybrids are kept charged between 40-80 % ALWAYS, so a very limited range of the batteries charge is being used. Why? Because the batteries get ruined quickly when they're discharged or charged more.![Egads!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/pat.gif)
He says a Prius might be able to go about a MILE on electric power alone and if they went from 1 battery to *12* it's electric range would only be 37 miles and the price of the vehicle would probably be $50,000. Now Li-Ion batteries certainly hold hope for lighter and smaller battery packs, but he says GM is still only hoping for a 40 mile range for the Chevy Volt and they don't even know how to accomplish that yet!
Hybrid technology is certainly more useful, but new, more realistic EPA guidelines (actually only a new formula to crunch all the old guidelines together) will show the benefit of hybrids is even less than originally thought, as real world figures have shown.
Lexus is smart to have promoted hybrid technology more as a luxury/power/quiet/clean thing than a save the planet massive economy thing.
What we need, is a Mr. Fusion, like from Back to the future.
It's titled "Betting Big On A Battery - Again. Dreams, and the press, and dreamers in the press, go full-court cuckoo for electric cars."
In it, he points out that the hybrids today can barely operate at all under electric only power, that the batteries in Toyota's hybrids are kept charged between 40-80 % ALWAYS, so a very limited range of the batteries charge is being used. Why? Because the batteries get ruined quickly when they're discharged or charged more.
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He says a Prius might be able to go about a MILE on electric power alone and if they went from 1 battery to *12* it's electric range would only be 37 miles and the price of the vehicle would probably be $50,000. Now Li-Ion batteries certainly hold hope for lighter and smaller battery packs, but he says GM is still only hoping for a 40 mile range for the Chevy Volt and they don't even know how to accomplish that yet!
Hybrid technology is certainly more useful, but new, more realistic EPA guidelines (actually only a new formula to crunch all the old guidelines together) will show the benefit of hybrids is even less than originally thought, as real world figures have shown.
Lexus is smart to have promoted hybrid technology more as a luxury/power/quiet/clean thing than a save the planet massive economy thing.
What we need, is a Mr. Fusion, like from Back to the future.
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Just found this on edmunds...
Driving the Ford Edge HySeries Concept
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=119675#2
Driving the Ford Edge HySeries Concept
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=119675#2
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There's an excellent editorial by Patrick Bedard in the April '07 Car And Driver. I can't find it online so can't post a link.
It's titled "Betting Big On A Battery - Again. Dreams, and the press, and dreamers in the press, go full-court cuckoo for electric cars."
In it, he points out that the hybrids today can barely operate at all under electric only power, that the batteries in Toyota's hybrids are kept charged between 40-80 % ALWAYS, so a very limited range of the batteries charge is being used. Why? Because the batteries get ruined quickly when they're discharged or charged more.![Egads!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/pat.gif)
He says a Prius might be able to go about a MILE on electric power alone and if they went from 1 battery to *12* it's electric range would only be 37 miles and the price of the vehicle would probably be $50,000. Now Li-Ion batteries certainly hold hope for lighter and smaller battery packs, but he says GM is still only hoping for a 40 mile range for the Chevy Volt and they don't even know how to accomplish that yet!
Hybrid technology is certainly more useful, but new, more realistic EPA guidelines (actually only a new formula to crunch all the old guidelines together) will show the benefit of hybrids is even less than originally thought, as real world figures have shown.
Lexus is smart to have promoted hybrid technology more as a luxury/power/quiet/clean thing than a save the planet massive economy thing.
What we need, is a Mr. Fusion, like from Back to the future.![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
It's titled "Betting Big On A Battery - Again. Dreams, and the press, and dreamers in the press, go full-court cuckoo for electric cars."
In it, he points out that the hybrids today can barely operate at all under electric only power, that the batteries in Toyota's hybrids are kept charged between 40-80 % ALWAYS, so a very limited range of the batteries charge is being used. Why? Because the batteries get ruined quickly when they're discharged or charged more.
![Egads!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/pat.gif)
He says a Prius might be able to go about a MILE on electric power alone and if they went from 1 battery to *12* it's electric range would only be 37 miles and the price of the vehicle would probably be $50,000. Now Li-Ion batteries certainly hold hope for lighter and smaller battery packs, but he says GM is still only hoping for a 40 mile range for the Chevy Volt and they don't even know how to accomplish that yet!
Hybrid technology is certainly more useful, but new, more realistic EPA guidelines (actually only a new formula to crunch all the old guidelines together) will show the benefit of hybrids is even less than originally thought, as real world figures have shown.
Lexus is smart to have promoted hybrid technology more as a luxury/power/quiet/clean thing than a save the planet massive economy thing.
What we need, is a Mr. Fusion, like from Back to the future.
![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
The upcoming 3rd gen Prius is said to have an EV mode that could allow it to travel under electric power for up to 20 miles.
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What he says though about the Prius is wrong. European and Japanese Prius models have an "EV" mode, where the car can travel several miles under electric power only. The upcoming redesigned Highlander Hybrid will also have this "EV mode". North American Priuses have this EV ability too ... except it's disabled.
The upcoming 3rd gen Prius is said to have an EV mode that could allow it to travel under electric power for up to 20 miles.
The upcoming 3rd gen Prius is said to have an EV mode that could allow it to travel under electric power for up to 20 miles.
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Also, all-electric cars means more battery production and disposal:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/...n_page_id=1770
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/...n_page_id=1770
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