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Old 03-13-07, 06:05 PM
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Over the past year and a half, speculation has been rampant on AutoSpies.com and other websites about the Lexus IS-F and BMW M3.

Now that they have both been announced, it looks like a battle of epic proportions is being planned with the winner gaining the ultimate prize...The ability to brag that they truly make the ULTIMATE driving machine.

Granted the full specs are not out but we have enough photos and information on both cars, to take our best educated guesses and argue the pros and cons of our points, in a gentlemanly fashion.

When the ultimate showdown finally happens and it's coming sooner than we all think, who will walk away with the crown?

The Lexus IS-F or the BMW M3?.

Ladies and Gentleman...oil your mice and start your keyboards!
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SMG or roll-for-yourself-and-3-pedals vs. slushbox? Easy choice...
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Old 03-13-07, 06:17 PM
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SMG or roll-for-yourself-and-3-pedals vs. slushbox? Easy choice...
Maybe, maybe not. A Ultimate Driving Machine is not necessarily an Ultimate Clutching Machine. Several good clutchless transmissions are out there for real driving....the VW/Audi DSG is probably the best example.
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I vote M3! M Power.
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Old 03-13-07, 06:23 PM
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I truth an Lexus IS-F is a beast!
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Old 03-13-07, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Maybe, maybe not. A Ultimate Driving Machine is not necessarily an Ultimate Clutching Machine. Several good clutchless transmissions are out there for real driving....the VW/Audi DSG is probably the best example.
DSG does have clutch. Indeed, it has two clutches in its transmission. It just doesn't have a clutch pedal.

No Toyota product has the same type of clutch and shifting feel provided by the BMW product.
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Old 03-13-07, 06:36 PM
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M3. #6 at Don Mackey BMW (Arizona). MSRP certain. I am seriously hoping for the first allocation, but It'll probably be second. Lexus IS-F will be a AWESOME car, as well. I just love those damn Ms
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No real comparison at all IMHO. Two different cars for two different types of enthusiasts. Neither car will be better for the enthusiasts on the other side of the fence.
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I'd have to see either one before I can pass judgement. I'd say M3 is probably going to be a better car, but if it has the same reliability as the current M3, then it just doesn't matter.
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I say it's still too early to say. But I think you would lean more towards BMW producing the better performance car. They just have the edge. It's possible that Lexus can outdo BMW on their first try... but unlikely. (I'll still keep my fingers crossed though. )
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Lexus hasn't even come close to matching BMW's M series yet. REALLY is easy choice here...M3.
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M3 definitely, the IS350 doesnt even match a 3 series in handling
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Lexus will defenately be more powerful with 5 liters of displacement vs M3's 4 liters. But then of course, M3 will edge out handling wise, and provide a manual, something that Lexus should really consider.

But the overclocked 4.0 in the BMW is probably going to be nothing but trouble.
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We might as well compare the Lexus LS460-F and the BMW M7...


Neither car is out on the market yet. I doubt anyone on this forum has put their hands on both cars and drove them.

But from speculations and previous history of Lexus and BMW, I'm going to have to give the M3 the edge for performance.
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Originally Posted by JZA80MHU38
DSG does have clutch. Indeed, it has two clutches in its transmission. It just doesn't have a clutch pedal.

No Toyota product has the same type of clutch and shifting feel provided by the BMW product.

Surprising coming from a (TT?)supra owner.


P.s. arent BMWs know for having rubbery feeling shifters? They are know for their steering feel not shifter feel... I stand to be corrected.
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