UPDATE: thecarconnection.com's First Drive of Lexus LS600hL(+Edmunds Full Test)
#31
I, personally am dissapointed. The market may love it, and I have no doubt it will sell, But I'm not willing to accept the 900lb weight gain. FOR MY PREFERENCE, might as well get an SUV.
Is the **** available, or will become available for the LS460L touring? That i'd be interested in.
Is the **** available, or will become available for the LS460L touring? That i'd be interested in.
#32
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I'm still wondering why they make AWD standard which makes the car heavier & slower, I think they should have made RWD available for the 600hL .
At this point, the 2 items I really want available for the LS600hL which differentiate it from the LS460L is the ****, which makes the much heavier 600hL more athletic than the 460L as stated in the Edmunds article, plus the LED headlights, but that's about it. I wish they were available for the 460L . . .plus a 5.0 V8 is nice too . . .
At this point, the 2 items I really want available for the LS600hL which differentiate it from the LS460L is the ****, which makes the much heavier 600hL more athletic than the 460L as stated in the Edmunds article, plus the LED headlights, but that's about it. I wish they were available for the 460L . . .plus a 5.0 V8 is nice too . . .
Lexus knows what they're doing, they had to make that 600hL exclusive.
The new LS looks best lowered anyway, so that means gutting the suspension, unless you just drop it with springs, which would be silly. The **** option might preclude you from being able to add aftermarket coilovers. The electronic suspension is probably directly tied to specific Lexus suspension components.
But those lights will soon be sold for some outrageous price in the aftermarket, and some Luxo Mag is gonna do the first projector-LED mod on the 460, and it's gonna look sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
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Not really following the 600h is not worth it claims being made here because the LS460 can be optioned almost the same way. Lexus seems to be following a proven formula used by the others in this class and adding more if you ask me. Using the Mercedes as an example an S550 can be optioned to the same exact specs as a S600. The only differences I'm seeing is a full leather dashboard, a V12, and V12 badges (but correct me if Im wrong, Im not seeing any other differences). Is that really worth the extra 35-40K over a S550?? I think for an extra 10 grand to get quite a few extra options in the 600h is pretty damn good.
From a price perspective you can also look at the LS600 as a competitor to the S550 as well as the prices almost overlap.
I will say its weight gain does seem a little crazy, but Im still confident that when we see test with actual production models, performance stats will be different. Just look at those tests of the preproduction LS460's and there long braking distances compared to the actual production models braking distances.
Its only one review. I dont expect every single publication to fall in love with it.
From a price perspective you can also look at the LS600 as a competitor to the S550 as well as the prices almost overlap.
I will say its weight gain does seem a little crazy, but Im still confident that when we see test with actual production models, performance stats will be different. Just look at those tests of the preproduction LS460's and there long braking distances compared to the actual production models braking distances.
Its only one review. I dont expect every single publication to fall in love with it.
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#34
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But it is interesting how everyone (magazines and a couple members) is so critical of the car (more so than any other car). Which isnt a bad thing at all. This is Lexus first 100K car, everyone wants it to be perfect. Its competitive and they are going about it in a different way with the hybrid system. I'm just happy that there are competitors other than the Europeans in this segment. And the fact that quite a few of them are already sold shows that Lexus can build a 100K car that will sell to the masses.
#36
Wow-ser, whats the point again? If the LS460 is 95% of the LS600 in thirst and acceleration. Greenies want to pay another $20K to look green but aren't. This car takes untold more power to make (extra mass and batteries) that in all likelyhood won't ever be greener than a non-hybrid LS460.
Also, don't forget the price which is off the hook, yes I know the Bentley, MB/Audi/BMWs with V12s are even more money and more thirsty. But is that the kind of argument you want to win? Well it's cheaper than that car that costs 5x the price of a typical car (our car only costs 4x the price of a typical car).
Last but not least it weighs 5 thousand (whatever else) thats into full size pick-up truck territory. OMG
Also, don't forget the price which is off the hook, yes I know the Bentley, MB/Audi/BMWs with V12s are even more money and more thirsty. But is that the kind of argument you want to win? Well it's cheaper than that car that costs 5x the price of a typical car (our car only costs 4x the price of a typical car).
Last but not least it weighs 5 thousand (whatever else) thats into full size pick-up truck territory. OMG
#38
[my opinion]The car seems pretty silly to me. It's slower, and gets much worse mileage on the highway. What's the point? Seems like Lexus just needed an excuse to charge 6 figures for the car.[/my opinion]
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You can't compare the mileage of the two, because we don't have 2008 EPA numbers for both cars yet.
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Yes but 600h is a beast on highway compared to 460. I don't think 460 can match rolling acceleration of 600h and if there is "only" 5mpg difference it's not that bad. Actually it's not bad at all. Maybe someone can pull up MPG numbers of competitor V12s and V8s?
#42
I think the main point (IMO) is the hybrid (complex) does not seem to be doing over-welmingly much for what you pay in price and complexity. Same for many hybrids. My point is maybe they do save a smige of gas but for the cost difference how much gas you will be able to buy?
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On top of that, the LS460 and LS460L do not have AWD available (yet), but the LS600h does have AWD. That also must be considered when comparing the fuel economy.
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Edmunds says the car is responsive, handles well, and achieved better slalom figures than a 460L. Despite the weight, it's more agile than a 460L. Plus, I'm sure that people living in snow States will appreciate the permanent AWD.