BMW Luxury Lead Threatened by Lexus, Stagnant Margins (Bloomberg)
05-07-07, 09:24 AM
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Couple of facts here (correct me if I'm wrong...)
First off for the BMW haters on the thread (and yea, there are three of you on page#1 who are all "condescending and arrogant towards any brand other than Toyota/Lexus").....Porsche charges for metalic paint on the $72K 911. BMW charges for Metalic on the 3-series and X3 only - so drop it ok?
(to be clear, the OP is not a BMW hater).
Now, isn't BMW still one of the more profitable car companies when measured in profit per car? Did they fall of the list? If so, I missed it...
Next, yes, I hate to tell ya, but the 5-series was a direct competitor to the old LS - at least in terms of cost. Speaking of cost, as I've pointed out, BMWs tend to be darn expensive and therefore the lease money factors are often subsidized (that's where the $4K comes form kids).
While this is ClubLexus, I have to tell you, I've never been on a board where there were some people so bent on seeing BMW fall. Can I ask why people hate this brand so much?
First off for the BMW haters on the thread (and yea, there are three of you on page#1 who are all "condescending and arrogant towards any brand other than Toyota/Lexus").....Porsche charges for metalic paint on the $72K 911. BMW charges for Metalic on the 3-series and X3 only - so drop it ok?
(to be clear, the OP is not a BMW hater).
Now, isn't BMW still one of the more profitable car companies when measured in profit per car? Did they fall of the list? If so, I missed it...
Next, yes, I hate to tell ya, but the 5-series was a direct competitor to the old LS - at least in terms of cost. Speaking of cost, as I've pointed out, BMWs tend to be darn expensive and therefore the lease money factors are often subsidized (that's where the $4K comes form kids).
While this is ClubLexus, I have to tell you, I've never been on a board where there were some people so bent on seeing BMW fall. Can I ask why people hate this brand so much?
05-07-07, 09:44 AM
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It does bring up a good point though. Um, why doesn't anyone hate on Mercedes?
05-07-07, 09:51 AM
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Next, yes, I hate to tell ya, but the 5-series was a direct competitor to the old LS - at least in terms of cost. Speaking of cost, as I've pointed out, BMWs tend to be darn expensive and therefore the lease money factors are often subsidized (that's where the $4K comes form kids).
While this is ClubLexus, I have to tell you, I've never been on a board where there were some people so bent on seeing BMW fall. Can I ask why people hate this brand so much?
Next, yes, I hate to tell ya, but the 5-series was a direct competitor to the old LS - at least in terms of cost. Speaking of cost, as I've pointed out, BMWs tend to be darn expensive and therefore the lease money factors are often subsidized (that's where the $4K comes form kids).
While this is ClubLexus, I have to tell you, I've never been on a board where there were some people so bent on seeing BMW fall. Can I ask why people hate this brand so much?
Because remember, the GS was there to compete with the 5-series.
As for the "BMW haters", I'm sure we have some people that dislike BMW over here. But go to a BMW forum and look at how Lexus is talked about.
BMW people still have nothing better to say about Lexus other than it being a "fancy Toyota". I think people here are more against the arrogance and superiorty complex behind BMW.
05-07-07, 10:35 AM
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As for the "BMW haters", I'm sure we have some people that dislike BMW over here. But go to a BMW forum and look at how Lexus is talked about.
BMW people still have nothing better to say about Lexus other than it being a "fancy Toyota". I think people here are more against the arrogance and superiorty complex behind BMW.
05-07-07, 04:53 PM
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I am comparing it to other companies. Would you like me to compare BMW's profits to both Mercedes and to Lexus? Because compared to either brand, BMW's profits don't look so hot. Or would you rather compare the profit margins of Mercedes-Benz and Lexus to that of BMW?
05-07-07, 09:52 PM
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Couple of facts here (correct me if I'm wrong...)
First off for the BMW haters on the thread (and yea, there are three of you on page#1 who are all "condescending and arrogant towards any brand other than Toyota/Lexus").....Porsche charges for metalic paint on the $72K 911. BMW charges for Metalic on the 3-series and X3 only - so drop it ok?
(to be clear, the OP is not a BMW hater).
Now, isn't BMW still one of the more profitable car companies when measured in profit per car? Did they fall of the list? If so, I missed it...
Next, yes, I hate to tell ya, but the 5-series was a direct competitor to the old LS - at least in terms of cost. Speaking of cost, as I've pointed out, BMWs tend to be darn expensive and therefore the lease money factors are often subsidized (that's where the $4K comes form kids).
While this is ClubLexus, I have to tell you, I've never been on a board where there were some people so bent on seeing BMW fall. Can I ask why people hate this brand so much?
First off for the BMW haters on the thread (and yea, there are three of you on page#1 who are all "condescending and arrogant towards any brand other than Toyota/Lexus").....Porsche charges for metalic paint on the $72K 911. BMW charges for Metalic on the 3-series and X3 only - so drop it ok?
(to be clear, the OP is not a BMW hater).
Now, isn't BMW still one of the more profitable car companies when measured in profit per car? Did they fall of the list? If so, I missed it...
Next, yes, I hate to tell ya, but the 5-series was a direct competitor to the old LS - at least in terms of cost. Speaking of cost, as I've pointed out, BMWs tend to be darn expensive and therefore the lease money factors are often subsidized (that's where the $4K comes form kids).
While this is ClubLexus, I have to tell you, I've never been on a board where there were some people so bent on seeing BMW fall. Can I ask why people hate this brand so much?
The universe has a way of balancing itself out ... after many years of arrogance and condenscending attitude from BMW execs and owners towards a lot of the competition ... now the criticism is being launced at BMW. And why not? Lexus is not immune to criticism, far from it. Lexus is not perfect, and neither is BMW. Why should BMW be spared criticism?
05-08-07, 12:04 AM
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you have quite an imagination, nobody said anything about BMW failing. And Toyota hasn't reported their earnings yet.
05-08-07, 04:26 AM
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Why not? If car manufacturer A sells 20,000 cars a year and makes $4,000 per car, while company B sells 1,000,000 cars per year but only makes $500 apiece, which one is in better financial position? Company B has 6 times the overall profit, but in all likelyhood, it's a 30-40x bigger company. Personally I put more stock in company A's future.
05-08-07, 09:52 AM
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05-08-07, 09:58 AM
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Lexus is gearing towards more BMW oriented cars as of late. I am not saying BMW like cars or even BMW beating cars. Lexus cars are getting more styling, faster and sportier.
Mercedes is the past, BMW is the future.
This is not a BMW bash thread and no one should interpret it as such and no one should be bashing BMW. BMW is in great shape and clearly a lot of car makers take their cues.
If you are that upset, I suggest writing an e-mail to the WRITER of the article.
Mercedes is the past, BMW is the future.
This is not a BMW bash thread and no one should interpret it as such and no one should be bashing BMW. BMW is in great shape and clearly a lot of car makers take their cues.
If you are that upset, I suggest writing an e-mail to the WRITER of the article.
05-08-07, 10:02 AM
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I am comparing it to other companies. Would you like me to compare BMW's profits to both Mercedes and to Lexus? Because compared to either brand, BMW's profits don't look so hot. Or would you rather compare the profit margins of Mercedes-Benz and Lexus to that of BMW?
05-08-07, 10:24 AM
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Why not? If car manufacturer A sells 20,000 cars a year and makes $4,000 per car, while company B sells 1,000,000 cars per year but only makes $500 apiece, which one is in better financial position? Company B has 6 times the overall profit, but in all likelyhood, it's a 30-40x bigger company. Personally I put more stock in company A's future.