Toyota cutting hybrid costs, claims every car produced will be hybrid by 2020
#16
This means that it has to have ~400% greater battery capacity than the current Prius to be practical. Currently, I think the only technology that can offer adequate capacity-to-weight is the Lithium Ion Polymer batteries (like in cell phones and notebooks).
So here are the reasons that I can think of (in no particular order):
1) The cost. This is the killer. The cost of the batteries, the software, the charger, installation of the charger at home, etc. It is true that some of the cost might be offset by the lower operating cost, but the upfront cost is considerable.
2) These batteries heat up when used, so there are potential overheating / fire hazard issues.
3) Batteries last much longer if kept in the ~50-90% charged range. Prius has software that maintains the batteries at their optimal charge level (with the help of the IC engine). This will be impossible with a plug-in, unless you want to stop and catch an electric tow truck
4) Weight / interior space compromise issues, due to batteries.
5) Battery disposal issues.
#17
I just don't understand why the Camry Hybrid has it they way it is especially since they were designing the new Camry with a hybrid in mind (unlike.. say the GS).
We'll see what technology is like down the road, but at current levels, I'm still not sold on gas-electric or diesel-electric hybrids. They are complex, expensive to produce, and the question of how to recycle battery packs is still an ongoing problem. In addition, the idea of the battery pack behind the rear seats, right over the fuel tank, REALLY makes me nervous when I think of what can happen in a substantial rear-impact, with sparks from the battery case combined with a tank rupture.
e, straight, small diesel engine up front, like on the overseas-market VW Lupo,
e, straight, small diesel engine up front, like on the overseas-market VW Lupo,
From what I read (other sources included), it seems like they want ALL their vehicles to be hybrids only by 2020. (Cause 2010 was the year they want a hybrid option in every model... which is awfully close so I don't know how they're gonna pull it off esp. since they have > half of their fleet left to hybridise).
#18
now that be something but electricity with hydrogen, is that even safe lol
#20
Well, let's see... by 2010, we'll have:
- redesigned Sienna (2009 MY)
- redesigned Prius (2009 MY)
- redesigned Highlander (2008 MY)
- redesigned Corolla (2008 MY)
- redesigned Matrix aka. Auris (2008 MY)
- Updated Camry (2010 MY)
- Updated RAV4 (2009 MY unless they cut it short again and make it 2008 MY)
- Redesigned 4Runner (2008 MY unless they plan in extending its life like they did with the old 4Runners)
- Redesigned Sequoia (2008 MY since the Tundra's out and it's been 7 years)
- Redesigned Tundra (2007 MY) and the Tundra Hybrid is planned after the diesel comes out
- Updated Tacoma
The Yaris just comes short at 2011 MY as the expected year for the redesigned model. Again, unless they cut the Yaris' life short to 4 years and have one out by 2010.
Disclaimer: The years I've given are NOT official. They're based on the 5 year cycle that Toyota normally gives to its vehicles (unless something happens that requires the need to shorten or lengthen its life cycle).
Also, by "redesigned" I mean a full makeover, by "updated" I mean mid-life refresher (i.e. a "½" generation.. e.g. Gen 5.5)
#21
Whether or not consumers would be happy about driving smaller, lighter cars is another thing as many are paranoid that a Hummer is going to come round every corner and flatten them.
#22
So true. This is why I welcome the high gas prices. It's causing a shift back to more "appropriate", fuel efficient cars. Of course, having more power can be more fun, but how often is a Camry or Accord driver going to make use of 275 HP?
#23
They have actually been at it for about 15 years. They have the FCHVs bases on a Highlander (Kluger) chassis. They have had people using them as everyday vehicles testing since 1997 I believe.
#25
But then again, it's only because their SUVs require a bigger engine and it's easier to just use the same engine in their cars rather than making another one. So it all comes back to the SUV hahaha. <sigh> whatever happened to AWD wagons? Hell, even the Outback can satisfy a lotta people. You wanna sit high, go drive a UPS truck. That's high.
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