Motor Trend crowns world's best-handling car . . .
05-12-07, 07:19 PM
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The 335i beat the Mini and S2000 around the track and was less than 1.5 seconds behind the Porsche Cayman S.
I'd say it held its own pretty well in that competition, and I'd say it belonged in there not only on merits of performance, but because it was interesting to see how a car that is widely regarded as the best chassis/suspension/brakes/motor and handling in its class, would stand up against cars outside of its class.
I'd say it held its own pretty well in that competition, and I'd say it belonged in there not only on merits of performance, but because it was interesting to see how a car that is widely regarded as the best chassis/suspension/brakes/motor and handling in its class, would stand up against cars outside of its class.
05-12-07, 07:22 PM
#33
The 335i beat the Mini and S2000 around the track and was less than 1.5 seconds behind the Porsche Cayman S.
I'd say it held its own pretty well in that competition, and I'd say it belonged in there not only on merits of performance, but because it was interesting to see how a car that is widely regarded as the best chassis/suspension/brakes/motor and handling in its class, would stand up against cars outside of its class.
I'd say it held its own pretty well in that competition, and I'd say it belonged in there not only on merits of performance, but because it was interesting to see how a car that is widely regarded as the best chassis/suspension/brakes/motor and handling in its class, would stand up against cars outside of its class.
05-12-07, 07:39 PM
#34
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Riiiight.
The 335i has been said to handle as well or nearly as well as the previous-gen M3, and accelerate nearly as well, too - you want to say that the pre-08 M3 doesn't handle well either?
I'm glad you informed "everyone" that the facts were "contrary" to your opinion. Or, at least, that your opinion was contrary to the majority's opinion, and thus that makes the majority wrong... eh?
05-12-07, 07:50 PM
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????????..... I am "specifically" talking about in the track that the NSX-R will destroy the Z06 like a cup cake. I wasn't talking about straightaways, I am talking about in a track with curves and hair-pins. You obviously don't know about the NSX-R since you just mentioned "NSX". NSX is not equal to NSX-R. The Type-R version has race-tuned suspension. Even more importantly there is a weight reduction, which then performs even better in the turn and accelerations. Don't get confused with NSX-R and NSX.
Z06: 7 minutes, 42 seconds
The NSX-R is not on that list because its time was not validated, but its best was 7 minutes, 56 seconds.
Doesn't sound like the Z06 got "destroyed like a cup cake"
Not to mention the NSX-R is a very rare expensive non-standard car not even for sale in most of the world. It's hardly a valid real world comparison. I might as well pull out the C6-R for comparison's sake.
05-12-07, 08:02 PM
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????????..... I am "specifically" talking about in the track that the NSX-R will destroy the Z06 like a cup cake. I wasn't talking about straightaways, I am talking about in a track with curves and hair-pins. You obviously don't know about the NSX-R since you just mentioned "NSX". NSX is not equal to NSX-R. The Type-R version has race-tuned suspension. Even more importantly there is a weight reduction, which then performs even better in the turn and accelerations. Don't get confused with NSX-R and NSX.
So are you young then? How old are you? Just wondering....
Give it some time. Maybe the Acura doesn't want the general publics to know about their new release of the NSX just yet.
So are you young then? How old are you? Just wondering....
Give it some time. Maybe the Acura doesn't want the general publics to know about their new release of the NSX just yet.
And I'm 23, I've seriously been hearing internet rumors about the new NSX since I was 16 and not able to drive by myself. I remember the rumor about 2 S2000 engines joined together to make a 480hp V8, this car has been 'coming soon' for a LONG time now
05-12-07, 08:12 PM
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Ooooooh... that explains why despite it actually posting, on average, slightly SLOWER 1/4-mile times than the Porsche Cayman S, it was less than 1.5 seconds behind at the end of the track. Because the Cayman S handles amazingly, and slightly-outpowers the 335i, too - and amazingly, all that's actually worth on the track is a ~1% gain in lap time.
Riiiight.
The 335i has been said to handle as well or nearly as well as the previous-gen M3, and accelerate nearly as well, too - you want to say that the pre-08 M3 doesn't handle well either?
I'm glad you informed "everyone" that the facts were "contrary" to your opinion. Or, at least, that your opinion was contrary to the majority's opinion, and thus that makes the majority wrong... eh?
Riiiight.
The 335i has been said to handle as well or nearly as well as the previous-gen M3, and accelerate nearly as well, too - you want to say that the pre-08 M3 doesn't handle well either?
I'm glad you informed "everyone" that the facts were "contrary" to your opinion. Or, at least, that your opinion was contrary to the majority's opinion, and thus that makes the majority wrong... eh?
Well, I haven't driven the new 335, so I can't tell you from personal experience, however previous gen 3 series, which I drove plenty of, didn't impress me at all. Sure, the M3 was nice, but combined with harsh ride and ridiculously bad reliability and overclocked, underdeveloped engine that consumes oil and REQUIRES synthetic, it's a joke.
05-13-07, 12:08 AM
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What the hell..... How could a Z06 beat an NSX-R. It's only 14 sec difference in the Nürburgring. That Z06 must have wings and a jet engine.
I haven't seen C6-R because there isn't one.
And that's what makes the NSX more special than "Corvette". Corvette = normal car NSX = special car
What's more is that the NSX-R only has 290 HP and it is enough to stay with the "big" horsepower/torque cars. That is another reason why NSX is so special and unique. It's got better gas mileage than the Z06 too.
You, and the other dude, you got lucky this time...... Be thankful that the Z06 barely beat it.
I haven't seen C6-R because there isn't one.
And that's what makes the NSX more special than "Corvette". Corvette = normal car NSX = special car
What's more is that the NSX-R only has 290 HP and it is enough to stay with the "big" horsepower/torque cars. That is another reason why NSX is so special and unique. It's got better gas mileage than the Z06 too.
You, and the other dude, you got lucky this time...... Be thankful that the Z06 barely beat it.
The Z06 gets 16/26 mpg, check it out for yourself at this link:
http://www.autosite.com/content/rese...action/summary
The regular NSX gets 17/24, check it out here:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/20451.shtml
The NSX-R probably gets even worse mileage
Next time try using actual facts to support your argument instead of things you've pulled out of your anus
05-13-07, 05:29 AM
#43
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Don't feel bad - take a look at that list and see how many other cars were beaten by the Z06, and how few were able to beat the Z06 (two, the SLR and Carrera GT - 480k+ and 440k+ MSRP, respectively, compared to the Z06 at 76k).
I haven't seen C6-R because there isn't one.
http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/c6r/c6r.shtml
And that's what makes the NSX more special than "Corvette". Corvette = normal car NSX = special car
What's more is that the NSX-R only has 290 HP and it is enough to stay with the "big" horsepower/torque cars. That is another reason why NSX is so special and unique. It's got better gas mileage than the Z06 too.
The regular NSX gets slightly worse mileage than the Z06. You're welcome to dig up mileage figures on the NSX-R... maybe it gets better than the regular NSX, but I really doubt it, and again, I'm not sure how it matters at all in this class of car. That's a ricer arguement if I ever heard one.
You, and the other dude, you got lucky this time...... Be thankful that the Z06 barely beat it.
05-13-07, 08:02 AM
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BTW track times don't mean a lot. If track has longer straights than curves cars with higher output will always dominate no matter what. Maybe they should have put the cars on some street circuit too.
I am not surprised Porsche won the competition. Damn for that much money it better do something extraordinary. But car that fascinates me is Evo. It does have capabilities almost like a Porsche or Z06 yet it costs 4 and 2 times less. Amazing value if you are a performance freak!
05-13-07, 09:02 AM
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