Cadillac will drop DTS or STS

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05-19-07, 04:49 PM

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My favorite is the back seat though, his caddie is from the mid 90s when back seats were still very roomie.

Yep......I'll bet.

05-20-07, 08:00 AM

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So THEN Lexus turns around, stiffens the new ES suspension, and dumps the 60-series tires for 55's. Yes, that sure made a lot of sense.

I've driven the ES 330 and 350 recently and its very clear, the 350 is harsher and sportier. The ES 330 IMO was a Japanese Caddy.

Both cars are sold/sell like mad though.

05-20-07, 08:47 AM

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I've driven the ES 330 and 350 recently and its very clear, the 350 is harsher and sportier. The ES 330 IMO was a Japanese Caddy.

Both cars are sold/sell like mad though.

Yes, I almost bought an ES330. The only thing that stopped me was my conversion to AWD....and I liked Subaru's AWD system better than that on the RX.

05-20-07, 09:52 PM

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i guess so, i'll 22 in June, is that quite young?

Well, respectfully, yes!

At least I hope you don't have a lack of flexibility, groan when you bend down, sit down, or get up, and haven't retired yet!

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but i wasn't saying cut the sofas on wheels now ... i was just saying that it will need to happen eventually. soft rides are nice, but i just think people are going to want handling AND nice ride, body-roll will become more and more unacceptable

Handling is honestly of little interest to most older drivers (I mean Cadillac's demographic is still 50+ whether they like it or not), but I agree that body roll DECREASES comfort, but crude solutions like stiff sway bars or low profile tires aren't the answer. The answer (and I suspect we agree on this) will come from increasingly sophisticated active suspensions, newer tire and wheel designs, and lighter allow wheels.

05-21-07, 11:06 AM

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With most lower-center-of-gravity vehicles, even fairly softly-sprung ones, body roll today is generally not much of an issue unless you try to push it in corners. With a few obvious exceptions like the BMW X5, Volvo XC-90, and Audi Q7, it becomes more and more an issue as the center-of-gravity rises.