MR_F1

that i'd love to see and have been waiting for since they stopped the GT-4 in 99.

But guess what? Toyota only owns ~8.7% of subaru. I doubt they give a .... u know what. Besides, their products already clash

94lex83457

I'm really hoping for a new All-Trac.

if they would put a v6 in a corolla it would probably be the 4GR-FSE (the 2.5 liter from the IS 250)

Koma

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Well, I know it's a small percentage but they're trying to work together on technologies. Subaru is kinda a niche market being an AWD lineup. So yea, the Impreza is in the same small sedan market as the Corolla but they are vastly different because of the AWD factor.
I'm not holding my breath though.

ff_

It would probably be? Or your opinion is that the 2.5 makes more sense?

If they find some logical reason to put a V6 in the Corolla, then the 2.5 does make more sense than the 3.5. But in the end, people buy the Corolla because of price point and economy. Not for its [non-existent] sporting tendencies. Can you imagine a nose-heavy car with a Toyota-pillow-soft suspension? Can you say understeer? Yeah, that'd be fun to drive.

LexFather

1. Stuffing big engines in small cars has been happening for decades
2. Some people might just want a faster car, not one that handles better
3. No one knows what a base new Corolla drives like, yet alone this new one.


Funny but the Corolla may have the same size engine as Honda's top of the line sedan, a 3.5 liter V_6. That is LAUGHABLE.

ff_

Name a few for me. edit: and I'm not referring to one-off project cars, or small sports cars.

Laughable in the sense that it's just wasteful overkill? I agree.

LexFather

Back in the 1950s, Mr. Delorean put huge V-8s in smaller cars.
AUdi, BMW, Lexus, Benz all put V-8s in their compact entry level cars.
Mazdaspeed 3 has the engine from the 6
BMW 135 has the I-6 from the 3 series

There are tons of others I fail to mention of the top of my head. Some people are interested in a nice bigger engine with some torque and power at low RPM.

What you see as overkill, many see as a nice abundance of power. Some people don't want to rev their cars to 8,000 RPM to get 100lbs of torque.

ff_

I guess that's not what I was after. I was thinking small cars, like the Civic, Corolla, Mazda3, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Entry level, economy cars. None of them (that I can think of) uses a big engine in any of their offerings, because of weight, size, and loss of economy.

And when I say big engine, I mean large/heavy. With a softly sprung, light-ish car (well, any car for this matter), the last thing you want is a big, heavy engine sitting out in front of the the front axle. It just compounds bad handling characteristics that are already inherent in FWD designs.

MR_F1

Ok....so Toyota will just take this V6 (which the chassis was already designed to accommodate) and plop it in without any other modifications? I fail to see your reasoning.

People, 1) This is a rumor
2) If they do it, it will be to avoid the expense of developing a new engine
3) Honda has a hi-po civic, mitsubishi- the lancer evo, subaru- imprezza wrx, mazda-mazda speed 3.

Everyone B**tches and moans about the boring corolla, then some glimmer of hope for the Enthusiast who probably remembers the Corolla and Celica All-Trac and then everybody changes gear...... WTF?!?!?! you just can't please everybody can you?

And another thing, the 2GR is probably lighter than the last gen aluminum V6s, which were lighter than the old iron block I4s. Put that into a relatively light chassis, and even with awd you will still see decent economy. Not 40 mpg, but probably better than what the V6 camry sees. Furthermore, I highly doubt that this will be a main stream model, so the dude looking for "appliance transport jr." will not buy this model.

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ff_

No modification will change the fact that you have all that extra weight out in front of the front axle.

MR_F1

Tell that to Audi

ff_

They already know.

Nextourer

Isn't a 2.4 litre in a tC big for a small car?

or 2.3 litres in a Mazda3?

Or that 2.5 litre in the Sentra SE-R?

I don't know but those are pretty big engines (and big 4 cylinders too). Hell, the Sentra has a bigger engine than our 02 Camry!

Aren't compact cars "supposed" to have 1.6-1.8 litres? (and remember the Corolla had a 1.3 litre engine in the mid 90s although it wasn't offered here)

TRDFantasy

A bit of a narrow viewpoint. A rearward-biased AWD system, as mentioned in the article, can certainly counteract the weight that a V6 would place on the front axle.

PhilipMSPT

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Bigger engine and heavier weight = less gas mileage.

That's not a good idea for the Corolla...