Is Toyota planning a V6 Auris/Corolla ?
05-27-07, 12:07 PM
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05-27-07, 04:32 PM
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I guess that's not what I was after. I was thinking small cars, like the Civic, Corolla, Mazda3, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Entry level, economy cars. None of them (that I can think of) uses a big engine in any of their offerings, because of weight, size, and loss of economy.
And when I say big engine, I mean large/heavy. With a softly sprung, light-ish car (well, any car for this matter), the last thing you want is a big, heavy engine sitting out in front of the the front axle. It just compounds bad handling characteristics that are already inherent in FWD designs.
And when I say big engine, I mean large/heavy. With a softly sprung, light-ish car (well, any car for this matter), the last thing you want is a big, heavy engine sitting out in front of the the front axle. It just compounds bad handling characteristics that are already inherent in FWD designs.
Softly sprung? Why would it be softly sprung?
People buy small cars in Europe and Japan because thats something they can park easily, not because they are cheap, and there are new "Corolla's" with smart entry, leather covered dashes, navi w/ hdd, xenons, power seats, etc, etc, things that were not available in Lexus's 2 years ago.
so yes, it requires thinking out of the box, as not every market is same as US.
05-28-07, 10:37 AM
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Its because FF is a Toyota-hater 
None of the logic here makes sense; if it were an option; it'd be some hopped-up version... including suspension, tires, and a few other things. It would be at a premium and at a much lesser availability than a standard econobox Corolla. Who CARES what you think about the motor being in the spirit of the car? The same ignorant BILE was spouted by idiotic car critics back in the muscle car era when GM decided to just throw a BIG engine inside the LaMans/GTO. Well guess what? It was a pretty popular car
Complaining about the extra weight over the front? No one has pointed out that an extra 70lb differential in the rear of a AWD car would most certainly help out. The 2GR isn't THAT heavy guys. Its lighter than the last gen aluminum V6; and would still be A LOT lighter than the Camry.
What's up with the emo status that has come to all of you? You LITERALLY complain about EVERYTHING that Toyota does and keep saying its stupid; but they keep on truckin, breakin records and making money. I think they know what they're doing.
None of the logic here makes sense; if it were an option; it'd be some hopped-up version... including suspension, tires, and a few other things. It would be at a premium and at a much lesser availability than a standard econobox Corolla. Who CARES what you think about the motor being in the spirit of the car? The same ignorant BILE was spouted by idiotic car critics back in the muscle car era when GM decided to just throw a BIG engine inside the LaMans/GTO. Well guess what? It was a pretty popular car
Complaining about the extra weight over the front? No one has pointed out that an extra 70lb differential in the rear of a AWD car would most certainly help out. The 2GR isn't THAT heavy guys. Its lighter than the last gen aluminum V6; and would still be A LOT lighter than the Camry.
What's up with the emo status that has come to all of you? You LITERALLY complain about EVERYTHING that Toyota does and keep saying its stupid; but they keep on truckin, breakin records and making money. I think they know what they're doing.
05-28-07, 03:13 PM
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It is not like Toyota to throw in a more powerful engine and not upgrade suspension anyways, so if Toyota makes a V6 powered Corolla we will see it with a suspension to match it.
05-28-07, 09:59 PM
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Its because FF is a Toyota-hater
None of the logic here makes sense; if it were an option; it'd be some hopped-up version... including suspension, tires, and a few other things. It would be at a premium and at a much lesser availability than a standard econobox Corolla. Who CARES what you think about the motor being in the spirit of the car? The same ignorant BILE was spouted by idiotic car critics back in the muscle car era when GM decided to just throw a BIG engine inside the LaMans/GTO. Well guess what? It was a pretty popular car
Complaining about the extra weight over the front? No one has pointed out that an extra 70lb differential in the rear of a AWD car would most certainly help out. The 2GR isn't THAT heavy guys. Its lighter than the last gen aluminum V6; and would still be A LOT lighter than the Camry.
What's up with the emo status that has come to all of you? You LITERALLY complain about EVERYTHING that Toyota does and keep saying its stupid; but they keep on truckin, breakin records and making money. I think they know what they're doing.
None of the logic here makes sense; if it were an option; it'd be some hopped-up version... including suspension, tires, and a few other things. It would be at a premium and at a much lesser availability than a standard econobox Corolla. Who CARES what you think about the motor being in the spirit of the car? The same ignorant BILE was spouted by idiotic car critics back in the muscle car era when GM decided to just throw a BIG engine inside the LaMans/GTO. Well guess what? It was a pretty popular car
Complaining about the extra weight over the front? No one has pointed out that an extra 70lb differential in the rear of a AWD car would most certainly help out. The 2GR isn't THAT heavy guys. Its lighter than the last gen aluminum V6; and would still be A LOT lighter than the Camry.
What's up with the emo status that has come to all of you? You LITERALLY complain about EVERYTHING that Toyota does and keep saying its stupid; but they keep on truckin, breakin records and making money. I think they know what they're doing.
05-29-07, 05:34 AM
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Because it's a Toyota.
05-29-07, 12:29 PM
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Those may be large in terms of displacement, but not necessarily weight. The problem with V6's, is that you now have twice as many heads, cam shafts, and you have more pistons, heavier block, more connecting rods, more valves (presumably), more intake, more exhaust, bearings, etc etc, and on and on. It's also not as compact as an inline 4, which results in more engine out in front of that front axle.
twice as many camshafts? I thought they're all DOHCs? so wouldn't it just be extended to cover the 2 extra cylinders?
Compact? Depends how you align it I suppose but in terms of length, I'm sure a V6 is shorter than an I4 because you have 3 cylinders on each bank as opposed to 4 cylinders in a row. In terms of width, yeah the V6 is wider than the I4.
05-29-07, 12:48 PM
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Design and materials used being equal, yes, the V6 should be noticeably heavier.
Cylinders don't weigh anything. It's just a hole in the engine block. Depending on the bore and stroke used, the pistons and connecting rods might be bigger, or smaller. But having 2 extra pistons and 2 extra connecting rods and 2 extra sets of bearings and extra crankshaft counterweights is going to more than tip the weight scale on the side of the V6 (i.e. heavier).
DOHC means 2 cams per cylinder bank. V6 has 2 cylinder banks, so it has twice as many heads and cams.
Basic design being similar, the V6 should be shorter, correct. But much, much wider. This is bad in a FWD car because now you have even more engine hanging out in front of the front axle, and it's hanging further forward too. The pendulum effect is made worse, and this is bad for handling. "hello, understeer!"
Basic design being similar, the V6 should be shorter, correct. But much, much wider. This is bad in a FWD car because now you have even more engine hanging out in front of the front axle, and it's hanging further forward too. The pendulum effect is made worse, and this is bad for handling. "hello, understeer!"
05-29-07, 02:15 PM
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05-29-07, 07:32 PM
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I don't think Toyota would ever make a V6 Corolla (at least for production). I think the main thing that would kill this would be price. It would probably cost too much and at that price point, most people would rather just have a Camry. Heck, in a way Toyota already tried this by releasing the XRS model with the VVTi Celica motor and that didn't even sell.
If anything, I say they bring the Corona stateside.
If anything, I say they bring the Corona stateside.
05-29-07, 10:39 PM
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Design and materials used being equal, yes, the V6 should be noticeably heavier.
Cylinders don't weigh anything. It's just a hole in the engine block. Depending on the bore and stroke used, the pistons and connecting rods might be bigger, or smaller. But having 2 extra pistons and 2 extra connecting rods and 2 extra sets of bearings and extra crankshaft counterweights is going to more than tip the weight scale on the side of the V6 (i.e. heavier).
DOHC means 2 cams per cylinder bank. V6 has 2 cylinder banks, so it has twice as many heads and cams.
Basic design being similar, the V6 should be shorter, correct. But much, much wider. This is bad in a FWD car because now you have even more engine hanging out in front of the front axle, and it's hanging further forward too. The pendulum effect is made worse, and this is bad for handling. "hello, understeer!"
Cylinders don't weigh anything. It's just a hole in the engine block. Depending on the bore and stroke used, the pistons and connecting rods might be bigger, or smaller. But having 2 extra pistons and 2 extra connecting rods and 2 extra sets of bearings and extra crankshaft counterweights is going to more than tip the weight scale on the side of the V6 (i.e. heavier).
DOHC means 2 cams per cylinder bank. V6 has 2 cylinder banks, so it has twice as many heads and cams.
Basic design being similar, the V6 should be shorter, correct. But much, much wider. This is bad in a FWD car because now you have even more engine hanging out in front of the front axle, and it's hanging further forward too. The pendulum effect is made worse, and this is bad for handling. "hello, understeer!"
But that's assuming the engine is ahead of the axle. Most have it over the axle or even behind it. Granted, it's a Corolla and given the way Toyota has designed their compacts, it probably will be ahead of the front axle.
05-29-07, 10:41 PM
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