What's wrong with the GS?
06-05-07, 11:10 AM
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LMAO.. I wonder do they sell those cars used for the event..must make a killer deal on a used car.
06-05-07, 02:37 PM
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"Residuals" in leases does not necessarily equate actual resale value. Some companies will give a certain "residual" in their lease, but yet for those who did not lease but actually bought the car & want to sell it back to manufacturer for a new car, they won't give those customers anything close to the "residuals" they list on the leases of the exact same model.
The IS250/350 are listed by a couple sources as the top in it's class in resale value(I think we had a thread on that), yet their lease rates are still poor comparatively.
The IS250/350 are listed by a couple sources as the top in it's class in resale value(I think we had a thread on that), yet their lease rates are still poor comparatively.
However, without Toyota Motor Credit support, you are very correct that the IS250/350 will not have attractive lease rates. For comparison, the 328 (which has outstanding residuals) currently has a money factor (interest rate) of about 3.3% on a 24 or 36 month lease. This of course makes it a very attractive rate and counts against BMW as an incentive (even though it does not exist for purchasing the car).
06-05-07, 02:46 PM
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Although the GS marginally outsold the Infiniti M in the month of May, the M has been consistently outselling the GS throughout the year. Really, since both cars were launched in '05, it's been a back and forth battle, but Infiniti seems to be winning that battle as of late. I would definitely not confidently proclaim the GS to be the "third best selling sedan in this class". It isn't. 4th would be more accurate.
06-05-07, 02:56 PM
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I was just going to point this out, but you beat me to it
Although the GS marginally outsold the Infiniti M in the month of May, the M has been consistently outselling the GS throughout the year. Really, since both cars were launched in '05, it's been a back and forth battle, but Infiniti seems to be winning that battle as of late. I would definitely not confidently proclaim the GS to be the "third best selling sedan in this class". It isn't. 4th would be more accurate.
Although the GS marginally outsold the Infiniti M in the month of May, the M has been consistently outselling the GS throughout the year. Really, since both cars were launched in '05, it's been a back and forth battle, but Infiniti seems to be winning that battle as of late. I would definitely not confidently proclaim the GS to be the "third best selling sedan in this class". It isn't. 4th would be more accurate.
I was wrong though, the GS is fourth YTD in 2007. The M35/45 is formidable competition and has done very well in reviews.
06-05-07, 03:17 PM
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Nice first post. So a car that has $399 and $549 lease deals and is 5k to 10k less than the competition outsells the GS. Not surprising. The m35/45 has done well, no doubt, very good car and it is a problem for the GS. The last M45 was laughable as the M30/J30 whatever before it.
06-05-07, 03:20 PM
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but we both know you get what you pay for. A6 is a good car too in this segment. Very very competitive segment. Lexus lease rates are awful, just awful.
06-05-07, 03:28 PM
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Where are you getting your prices from?
Here are the base prices for the GS/M models:
GS350 RWD: $44,150
M35 RWD: $41,450
M35 RWD Sport: $44,250
M35 Average Base Price: $42,850
Difference: M35 RWD is only $1,350 cheaper than a GS350 RWD
GS350 AWD: $46,100
M35 AWD: $44,550
Difference: M35 AWD is only $1,550 cheaper than a GS350 AWD
GS430: $52,375
M45: $49,100
M45 Sport: $50,500
M45 Average Base Price: $49,800
Difference: M45 is only $2,575 cheaper than a GS430
I don't see how you can suggest that the M is $5,000-$10,000 less than a GS, when the difference in price between the two models are clearly only about a couple of thousand at most. Surely you're not suggesting that such a small price gap is what is causing the M to outsell the GS? Perhaps a better lease deal is more appealing on the M, but the overall MSRP is similar for both GS & M models.
Again, I seem to be wrong by 800 units, lol. Wow, you guys get happy over 1 year. THe GS has been in this segment since 1993. Eventually, you have to figure out how to make a decent car.
I was wrong though, the GS is fourth YTD in 2007. The M35/45 is formidable competition and has done very well in reviews.
I was wrong though, the GS is fourth YTD in 2007. The M35/45 is formidable competition and has done very well in reviews.
06-05-07, 03:33 PM
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My apologies, we are talking about this entire segment, and the 5 starting price is that much more than the M35/45. Sorry about that.
Bottom line, the M35/45 this generation has been a home run for Infiniti while the GS has been a double for Lexus and I don't think Lexus anticipated such a good effort from Nissan considering their previous track record. Thus this car and the Acura RL (to a lesser extent) being formidable competitors from Japan whereas the first and second generations of the GS were battling the Germans by itself.
Clearly you have a M35 or M45
Bottom line, the M35/45 this generation has been a home run for Infiniti while the GS has been a double for Lexus and I don't think Lexus anticipated such a good effort from Nissan considering their previous track record. Thus this car and the Acura RL (to a lesser extent) being formidable competitors from Japan whereas the first and second generations of the GS were battling the Germans by itself.
Clearly you have a M35 or M45
06-05-07, 04:14 PM
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I don't see much wrong with the 3GS. I just wished that Lexus would have came out with the new engines from the get go.
I know everybody keeps saying how the 3GS is not a sport sedan S*** . Ya'll must been driving the Avalon or something. When I drove my sisters 350 felt as tight as my old 2004 545 and imo faster. It seems if Lexus had comparible lease rates as it's competition I think sells would be better.
I know everybody keeps saying how the 3GS is not a sport sedan S*** . Ya'll must been driving the Avalon or something. When I drove my sisters 350 felt as tight as my old 2004 545 and imo faster. It seems if Lexus had comparible lease rates as it's competition I think sells would be better.
06-05-07, 05:27 PM
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My bad - it has been a while since I looked @ the GS/M #s & when I did, the GS was winning & in 3rd. I been distracted lately by trying to figure out what's wrong w/ the RL's #s.
I guess Lexus's lack of a sporty reputation could be affecting sales - especially since it does not have a cheaper sticker price like the IS to attract more buyers. Not sure what can be done -- I doubt a convertible option would make much of a difference.
This is a pretty good thread - should it be in the GS forum?
I guess Lexus's lack of a sporty reputation could be affecting sales - especially since it does not have a cheaper sticker price like the IS to attract more buyers. Not sure what can be done -- I doubt a convertible option would make much of a difference.
This is a pretty good thread - should it be in the GS forum?
06-05-07, 06:04 PM
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