G37 vs 335i in Motortrend, and the winner isn't the BMW...(+TCC's Road Test of G37)
06-25-07, 03:55 PM
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Dude, you dont believe me, fine, but I went there with a friend who was seriously considering getting a 335 to replace his highly modified Caprice. He is very disappointed, and will now wait to see what the G37 is like, and hopefully Lexus wont delay with IS coupe, so maybe I can talk him into that.
06-25-07, 03:59 PM
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I like the look of the new G but was just curious how it stacks up. BMW brakes are just fade free all day long. Just got to clean that infamous German brake dust every day
On the 335i's overheating issue:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=625687
"Each and every car overheated and shut down. Hmmmm, how's that? Yup! The oil temperature on every car shot to 300 degrees and the cars shut down. We learned that early on and instructed every driver to watch it closely. Driving amounted to about 5 hot laps, 2 parade laps, and so on. Never saw anything like it yet. Talk about a fatal flaw on these vehicles. Can't wait to see this happen to the general public and see how BMW responds. I guarantee you we were not pushing these so hard that no one will ever experience what we did. In fact, one of the ABCC members took a car home with him and on his ride in to the track, aggressively I might add, overheated it and shut down on him."
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=625687
"Each and every car overheated and shut down. Hmmmm, how's that? Yup! The oil temperature on every car shot to 300 degrees and the cars shut down. We learned that early on and instructed every driver to watch it closely. Driving amounted to about 5 hot laps, 2 parade laps, and so on. Never saw anything like it yet. Talk about a fatal flaw on these vehicles. Can't wait to see this happen to the general public and see how BMW responds. I guarantee you we were not pushing these so hard that no one will ever experience what we did. In fact, one of the ABCC members took a car home with him and on his ride in to the track, aggressively I might add, overheated it and shut down on him."
Yesterday I went to the BMW ultimate drive event, and when I test drove the 335, the POS overheated. This is laughable, because BMW is praised for making performance engines, but not a single of their performance engines is anywhere remotely reliable. The old M3 has major engine problems and oil consuming, M5 has compression issues, and the new 335 overheats. I can't wait for these POSes to start blowing headgaskets left and right.
That being said, BMW should've just bought whatever 2JZGTE's that Toyota has in the left over bin, and put them into the 335. It a far superior engine despite being 15 years old. BMW should just stick to making 180hp 325's and selling them to badge buyers.
That being said, BMW should've just bought whatever 2JZGTE's that Toyota has in the left over bin, and put them into the 335. It a far superior engine despite being 15 years old. BMW should just stick to making 180hp 325's and selling them to badge buyers.
Which event was this? Which car? What time? I'd love to be able to confirm this actually happened.
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06-25-07, 04:05 PM
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I don't believe you either. Had a 335i overheated at a BMW event someone on a BMW forum would have mentioned it by now. I can promise you the guys without oil coolers are more on top of this than you are. So far not a single 335i with the oil cooler, anywhere, has overheated. You hate BMW, we get it... unless you have something worthwhile to add then save it. This thread is going to remain productive if it kills me (and it might).
Which event was this? Which car? What time? I'd love to be able to confirm this actually happened.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=289720
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06-25-07, 04:09 PM
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Och - whether or not it was true, I think people don't believe you because you have established yourself to be pretty firmly anti-BMW, pro-lexus, and very often it seems people who are entrenched at a very biased position only see 'some' things happen but never seen 'other' things happen, if you understand what I mean.
Now granted, what you're saying may very well be the honest to goodness truth, but it's kinda like when I'm surfing the BMW forums and there's one guy that hates Lexus so much that he talks about how 'all of his friends have lemons Lexus cars and he has never seen a BMW break in his life'.
Now granted, what you're saying may very well be the honest to goodness truth, but it's kinda like when I'm surfing the BMW forums and there's one guy that hates Lexus so much that he talks about how 'all of his friends have lemons Lexus cars and he has never seen a BMW break in his life'.
06-25-07, 04:19 PM
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Och - whether or not it was true, I think people don't believe you because you have established yourself to be pretty firmly anti-BMW, pro-lexus, and very often it seems people who are entrenched at a very biased position only see 'some' things happen but never seen 'other' things happen, if you understand what I mean.
Now granted, what you're saying may very well be the honest to goodness truth, but it's kinda like when I'm surfing the BMW forums and there's one guy that hates Lexus so much that he talks about how 'all of his friends have lemons Lexus cars and he has never seen a BMW break in his life'.
06-25-07, 04:43 PM
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OK, I believe you, and apologize for saying it didn't happen - however the car you were in did not overheat. 280F is well within the normal operating temperature of the car. The red exclamation point could have been for anything; the same one comes up when I am low on gas (it comes on at 100km left on the tank, and 50km left), it comes on when my trunk is open, when the TPMS goes off, when someone isn't wearing a seatbelt, if a door or sunroof is pinched, if I am low on windshield wiper fluid... you get the idea. You have to his the OBDC stalk to see that the actual issue is.
Unless the oil temp needle is pegged at 300F (meaning it is above 300F), the car will not go into limp. The 335i goes into limp mode at 322F, which is well above 280F. My car regular rides at 280F. In fact, on my way home today it was sitting at 145C (290F). The "normal operating temperature" for the car is 100C-166C, meaning 240F-313F. So ya, I believe what you say did happen, but the car you were in didn't go into limp mode. FWIW, when a 335i goes into limp you don't get the red exclamation point, you get a CEL, which is a half filled engine light.
Interesting note with non-oil cooler equipped cars. When you hit about 295F you can actually tell you've hit the limit of the cars ability to cool itself. You press the gas and the oil temp goes up, let off and it goes down. That said, 280F is pretty much the daily operating temp for a non-oil cooled 335i.
You have to his the OBDC stalk to see that the actual issue is. Unless the oil temp needle is pegged at 300F (meaning it is above 300F), the car will not go into limp. The 335i goes into limp mode at 322F, which is well above 280F. My car regular rides at 280F. In fact, on my way home today it was sitting at 145C (290F). The "normal operating temperature" for the car is 100C-166C, meaning 240F-313F. So ya, I believe what you say did happen, but the car you were in didn't go into limp mode. FWIW, when a 335i goes into limp you don't get the red exclamation point, you get a CEL, which is a half filled engine light.
Interesting note with non-oil cooler equipped cars. When you hit about 295F you can actually tell you've hit the limit of the cars ability to cool itself. You press the gas and the oil temp goes up, let off and it goes down. That said, 280F is pretty much the daily operating temp for a non-oil cooled 335i.
Last edited by picus; 06-25-07 at 04:47 PM.
06-25-07, 04:53 PM
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OK, I believe you, and apologize for saying it didn't happen - however the car you were in did not overheat. 280F is well within the normal operating temperature of the car. The red exclamation point could have been for anything; the same one comes up when I am low on gas (it comes on at 100km left on the tank, and 50km left), it comes on when my trunk is open, when the TPMS goes off, when someone isn't wearing a seatbelt, if a door or sunroof is pinched, if I am low on windshield wiper fluid... you get the idea. You have to his the OBDC stalk to see that the actual issue is.
Unless the oil temp needle is pegged at 300F (meaning it is above 300F), the car will not go into limp. The 335i goes into limp mode at 322F, which is well above 280F. My car regular rides at 280F. In fact, on my way home today it was sitting at 145C (290F). The "normal operating temperature" for the car is 100C-166C, meaning 240F-313F. So ya, I believe what you say did happen, but the car you were in didn't go into limp mode. FWIW, when a 335i goes into limp you don't get the red exclamation point, you get a CEL, which is a half filled engine light.
Interesting note with non-oil cooler equipped cars. When you hit about 295F you can actually tell you've hit the limit of the cars ability to cool itself. You press the gas and the oil temp goes up, let off and it goes down. That said, 280F is pretty much the daily operating temp for a non-oil cooled 335i.
You have to his the OBDC stalk to see that the actual issue is. Unless the oil temp needle is pegged at 300F (meaning it is above 300F), the car will not go into limp. The 335i goes into limp mode at 322F, which is well above 280F. My car regular rides at 280F. In fact, on my way home today it was sitting at 145C (290F). The "normal operating temperature" for the car is 100C-166C, meaning 240F-313F. So ya, I believe what you say did happen, but the car you were in didn't go into limp mode. FWIW, when a 335i goes into limp you don't get the red exclamation point, you get a CEL, which is a half filled engine light.
Interesting note with non-oil cooler equipped cars. When you hit about 295F you can actually tell you've hit the limit of the cars ability to cool itself. You press the gas and the oil temp goes up, let off and it goes down. That said, 280F is pretty much the daily operating temp for a non-oil cooled 335i.
06-25-07, 05:20 PM
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Ya, in limp you're reduced to 60% power at 313F, then 20% power at 322F, so you would have noticed it. Could have been anything, seatbelt not on, TPMS, etc.
06-25-07, 08:09 PM
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You got it. On the 335i coupe zsp gets you a higher top speed limiter, better seats, and an oil cooler. On the sedan it gets you the same plus the sport suspension (which is standard on the coupe).
06-25-07, 08:10 PM
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Sorry, but the the 335i like all BMW's is far from trackworthy. Unless you consider the 330i's failure in C&D and the M5 failure on topgear as acceptable.
This is the second time a review has indicated the 335i has serious cooling issues.