G37 vs 335i in Motortrend, and the winner isn't the BMW...(+TCC's Road Test of G37)
06-25-07, 09:58 AM
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G37 vs 335i in Motortrend, and the winner isn't the BMW...(+TCC's Road Test of G37)
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/260025
BMW's decision to keep oil coolers out of non-zsp NA cars costs it a review. That's gotta hurt! Either way it's a well written review, performance margin is razor thin and the BMW couldn't stay cool. I believe the BMW won all the objective performance tests, but it's so close that the price difference and heat issues gave the G37 the win.
BMW's decision to keep oil coolers out of non-zsp NA cars costs it a review. That's gotta hurt! Either way it's a well written review, performance margin is razor thin and the BMW couldn't stay cool. I believe the BMW won all the objective performance tests, but it's so close that the price difference and heat issues gave the G37 the win.
06-25-07, 10:04 AM
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Close comparo, both great cars!
06-25-07, 10:26 AM
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I want to say that is the 2nd 335 to overheat in a test? Didn't that happen in the Edmunds test? I could be wrong.
Like Dave said, 2 great cars. I am torn between which I prefer.
Like Dave said, 2 great cars. I am torn between which I prefer.
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06-25-07, 10:55 AM
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its about time bmw be held accountable for their "superior german engineering"
it reminds me of when the 3 went against the IS and the 3 won despite having tons of issues...
it reminds me of when the 3 went against the IS and the 3 won despite having tons of issues...
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I am glad BMW lost (honestly). I love my car, and I think it's clear that the 335i is going to continue winning in the objective tests; but little things like oil coolers and fuel pumps show BMW is starting to rest on it's laurels. To think that someone at BMW actually thought it'd be a good idea to save a few bucks by omitting an oil cooler from just North American cars. I am glad to see them being taken to task for it.
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Not surprised. After a weekend drive, I got the 335's temp gauge up to 250-260 and I didn't think I was driving it that hard. While it drives great, I frequently find myself swearing like a sailor at the I-Drive system.
06-25-07, 11:27 AM
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Im not trying to be bias in any way, although yes i do own a 335, i still love g35/g37 and the bang for buck factor that it offers. I even considered the g35 for quite some time before i bought my 335.
Im one of the lucky ones that purchased a post march production steptronic 335 with sports package, which means i did get the extra oil cooler that the pre march production auto's with sports package didnt. After numerous hard runs, my temp never went a tick past 255f. I've never gone close to 270 or 280. IIRC, bmw stated that 300 is fine, but when you go past 300+, thats when the car will go into limp mode.
This was not intended to become a "Motortrend is a stupid magazine, i call BS my car never went into limp mode" or "My bmw is still better then a infiniti", more so a POV from a guy who has a 335 that does have a oil cooler.
Take it for what its worth.
Im one of the lucky ones that purchased a post march production steptronic 335 with sports package, which means i did get the extra oil cooler that the pre march production auto's with sports package didnt. After numerous hard runs, my temp never went a tick past 255f. I've never gone close to 270 or 280. IIRC, bmw stated that 300 is fine, but when you go past 300+, thats when the car will go into limp mode.
This was not intended to become a "Motortrend is a stupid magazine, i call BS my car never went into limp mode" or "My bmw is still better then a infiniti", more so a POV from a guy who has a 335 that does have a oil cooler.
Take it for what its worth.
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06-25-07, 12:02 PM
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FWIW, I have no oil cooler and have tracked my car now at least 8 times (I think 8 is right), the last time I did 14 laps in a row at Shannonville and the temp was stuck right on 140C (284F), which is where it always sits when I push it. I have not managed to overheat it or hit 300F+. Conditions that day were 37C which is almost 100F.
I know it is possible to overheat a 335i because I've seen it, but you do have to try to do it.
I know it is possible to overheat a 335i because I've seen it, but you do have to try to do it.
06-25-07, 12:10 PM
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So can somebody describe a little better to me exactly the problem that occurred and was it on ALL 335i models made before a certain date or only some? Also after this march 'switch over' in production, was the problem fixed for ALL models or only some?
I'd be leasing if I got the 335i, though, so I wouldn't care too much unless it did it annoyingly often.
I wouldn't plan on tracking the car except maybe a trip or two to the 1/4-mile track for giggles...
I'm considering the G37 as well - but the lease rates have to be good...
I'd be leasing if I got the 335i, though, so I wouldn't care too much unless it did it annoyingly often.
I wouldn't plan on tracking the car except maybe a trip or two to the 1/4-mile track for giggles...
I'm considering the G37 as well - but the lease rates have to be good...