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Old 07-02-07, 09:24 AM
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TOYOTA'S FULL-SIZE CHALLENGE

2007 Tundra pulls in buyers
Truck's sales double in May


July 1, 2007

BY JOE GUY COLLIER

FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

JoAnn and Darryl Cook, a couple in upstate New York, waited eight weeks for the salsa red 2007 Toyota Tundra they ordered to arrive at a dealership near them.

Like many of the early buyers, the Cooks had a Toyota connection. They own a Matrix and traded in an older Tundra that were both trouble-free. They simply wanted a bigger truck, which Toyota delivered with the 2007 Tundra.

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The Cooks are happy, but the new Tundra, among the most closely watched new vehicles this year, has had some hitches as Toyota challenges U.S. automakers in their strongest segment.

Toyota already is offering significant incentives and deflecting quality concerns, issues not usually associated with a vehicle launch by Toyota.

Yet sales are off to a strong start. Toyota sold 17,727 Tundras in May, more than double the number of the previous model.

"I felt like I was a king again driving that truck," said JoAnn Cook, 66, a soft-spoken policy rater for an insurance agency. "I felt like if somebody got in my way, I could tell them to get out of my way."

The '07 Tundra, Toyota's first true full-size truck, has been pitched as a pickup for true truckers, owners who depend on their trucks for hauling, towing and working.

Early data, though, suggest that Toyota loyalists have led the initial sales boost. If Toyota wants to reach its sales goal of 200,000 Tundras this year and expand on that number next year, the company will need to steal more customers from Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and the Chrysler Group's Dodge, experts say.

Ambitious goal

Toyota is confident it can hit its goal, said Brian Smith, Toyota Motor Sales manager of truck and SUV marketing. Toyota's marketing campaign, which includes hundreds of events in local markets, is just warming up, he said.

"I will tell you that we're pleased with how the launch has gone," Smith said. "I don't think any of us thought it was going to be a walk in the park."

The Tundra launch has attracted attention and early criticism. Toyota had a limited supply of its largest 5.7-liter V8 engine at launch and was hampered by quality issues with some of those engines. About 30 out of 30,000 V8s had to be replaced because of faulty camshafts.

The engine problems have been addressed, Smith said. "We feel like it's very much under control, and barring some other type of new occurrences, which we haven't seen, I don't think you'll hear much more about it going forward," he said.

Toyota, though, has challenges ahead. For the past three decades, Toyota has steadily increased U.S. sales, starting with small cars and moving up the chain to midsize sedans and luxury vehicles.

But Detroit owns the full-size pickup segment. Toyota's share of the segment, 9% in May, falls well short of GM's 42%, Ford's 31% and Dodge's 16%.

Five months into the launch, the picture is still forming on the type of consumer looking at the new Tundra, but the early buyers appear to be Toyota loyalists.

The leading buyer for the 2007 Tundra is the owner of a previous Tundra, with 23% of trade-ins for the April-through-June 10 period coming from owners of the old model, according to data from the Power Information Network. The Tundra, 4Runner, Camry and Tacoma combined account for more than 35% of all trade-ins.

But the Tundra is also taking customers from Ford and Dodge. Ford F-series trucks are the second-most traded-in vehicle for a Tundra at 10.5% of trade-ins, up from 7% for the same period a year ago. Dodge Rams, fourth on the list, account for 5.6% of trade-ins, up from 3.9%.

The Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra represent 5.4% and 3.2%, respectively, of Tundra trade-ins, the same for the Silverado and up slightly for the Sierra from last year.

Ford and Dodge are susceptible to losses this year because they have older trucks, said Christopher Li, a research specialist for the Power Information Network. GM redesigned its trucks last year.

"The battle is going to keep going for the near future," Li said. "I think you see that the squeeze is coming from the Ram and F-series area."

Incentives war

Toyota's gains are coming at a cost. The automaker has significant incentives on the new Tundra. Dealers can offer up to $3,500 cash back or zero-percent financing for 60 months on the trucks.

The Tundra incentives are higher than offers by GM, about the same as Ford's incentives and below Dodge's deals, which provide as much as $6,000 in customer or bonus cash.

Unlike other segments where it has an established track record, Toyota is having to work hard to win converts, said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for Edmunds.com. An incentives war will likely step up as the year wears on, he said.

"Toyota needs to give people a reason why they should check out a Tundra, other than just the Toyota name," Toprak said.

Smith, head of Toyota truck marketing, said using incentives this soon is unusual for Toyota but the environment is difficult. Rising gas prices and a decline in new home construction have pushed down overall sales for full-size trucks.

Toyota, though, sees positive trends, he said. In a segment with high brand loyalty, Toyota has quickly captured customers from other brands, he said. Toyota also is getting more customers who own heavy-duty Ford, GM and Dodge trucks, more powerful versions than the basic half-ton. The Tundra does not have a heavy-duty version yet.

"We've had twice as many trades coming from heavy-duty trucks as previously with our last-generation Tundra," Smith said. "So that capability message is clearly being recognized by consumers as well."

Toyota believes its grassroots marketing campaign is reaching hardcore truck buyers, Smith said.

JoAnn Cook, the upstate New York Tundra buyer, was predisposed to buying a Toyota because of her experience with the Matrix and previous Tundra. She did not seriously consider a Ford, GM or Dodge truck.

"It's not that I wouldn't try one," Cook said. "It's just that we've gotten accustomed to the Toyotas. We know they're good and we haven't had any problems with them."

But many truck buyers feel the opposite. They have never visited a Toyota dealership before because the previous Tundra was only 7/8 ths the size of the competition.

To get their truck in front of these buyers, Toyota has launched an extensive campaign that borrows heavily from Scion, a lineup of small cars that relied on local events targeted at young buyers.

For the Tundra, Toyota has started a Prove It! Tour that's hitting festivals, fairs, lumber stores and outdoor supply outlets across the United States. The tour had almost 30 stops in May alone with about 30,000 people test-driving the new Tundra. More than half asked for additional information and to be contacted by a dealer, Smith said.

Toyota and its dealers also have dispatched smaller "street teams" to take the truck to places like construction sites where workers can test it on their lunch break.

Toyota, which started prepping dealers two years in advance of the launch, is confident these local efforts will translate into sales and sustain the Tundra's growth.

"It's going to come from the bottom up," Smith said. "It's not going to come from a national ad."
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ive been seeing tons of new tundras, several per day easily. I went to san antonio this weekend, where they produce the tundra, and I probably saw 20+ tundras driving, and 3-4 semi trucks fully loaded with new tundras going to the dealers on the drive there
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
ive been seeing tons of new tundras, several per day easily. I went to san antonio this weekend, where they produce the tundra, and I probably saw 20+ tundras driving, and 3-4 semi trucks fully loaded with new tundras going to the dealers on the drive there
The Tundra is also manufactured in Princeton, Indiana as well.
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Good for toyota I've definately been seeing a lot more of them on the road, they are definately bigger than I thought.
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Like many of the early buyers, the Cooks had a Toyota connection. They own a Matrix and traded in an older Tundra that were both trouble-free. They simply wanted a bigger truck, which Toyota delivered with the 2007 Tundra
Those three sentences say it all. Toyota is WAY overdue on introducing a REAL full-size truck. For 13 years, since 1994, they marketed mid-size trucks, even with V8's, as imitation full-sizers.....and the public just didn't buy it (literally). Fortunately, those days are finally gone....the real Tundra is here.
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It will take some time for Toyota to reach their goal if 200k trucks a year. They will be able to do it this year, but it also is very important to keep the numbers up as the truck ages within the next two-three years.

Marketing, and word of mouth, especially to Detroit loyalists, must be widespread. It will take a lot of work...
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i have the 5.7 l tundra and i love it.
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im thkning about getting one when the lease is up on the rx
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I've seen quite a few,I think it looks aggresive.
 
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and sales were even better in June :-).. i think it was around 21k in Sales?

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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
It will take some time for Toyota to reach their goal if 200k trucks a year. They will be able to do it this year, but it also is very important to keep the numbers up as the truck ages within the next two-three years.

Marketing, and word of mouth, especially to Detroit loyalists, must be widespread. It will take a lot of work...


Or, in the real world, likely never happen. I have yet to see a new Tundra at a jobsite. Toyota doesn't seem to be interested in fleet sales and the 5.7L isn't available in a "work-truck" or "stripper" version that contractors desire. It's already more expensive than any of the Big-3 offerings (save the GMC Denali) and Toyota's lean inventory/ship-to-order system doesn't work with the traditional domestic truck buyer's preferences (the Big-3 have always maintained large inventories of trucks to instantly cater to customers).

The minor production hiccups have already damaged the truck's reputation and competition is about to put the hurt on Toyota even worse:

-GMT900s will get the 6.2L Vortec with 6-speed auto. By 2010, 1/2-tons will also offer the new 50-state "clean" CRD with more than 310 HP, 520 ft-#. The new joint-DCX-BMW-GM hybrid system is coming too, which will be offered in the GMT900 and new, redesigned 2009 Dodge trucks. Dodge will also be offering a "baby Cummins" for the 1500 and Nissan just inked a deal with Navistar (LOL, good luck).


This situation is starting to make me think Toyota's goal of 200,000 units/year is completely unrealistic. At best, the Tundra serves a role similar to what other import trucks such as the Titan and Ridgeline offer: light-duty consumer utility. Even then, I'm not sure what else Toyota can do to overcome the "Jap" discrimination that the Detroit-truck loyalists have. I know Toyota is trying and succeeding in certain areas, on TV and in showrooms. They're trying to make the "guts" of the truck look tougher than the competition's and giving some justification to being labeled as an American truck since they're assembled in Texas and Indiana. I still don't think the bulk of truck buyers are convinced though, since the badge still means everything and nobody is fooled into thinking Toyota's profits and engineering stays in the U.S.

Personally, I think it's friggin' hilarious. There are a few things Toyota does very well, and they should stick with it. 1/2-ton trucks are not one of them. The last bit of positive press built from Toyota came when the SR5 was fitted with the bulletproof 22R-E. Now we're given a truck that's advertised to be engineered better than the rest, yet the interior looks like it was supplied by Fisher-Price and the C-channel frame is supposed to support loads over 10,000#, while the public is convinced a fully-boxed frame isn't necessary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zShwG9l1F0Q
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Originally Posted by JerryRig
Or, in the real world, likely never happen. I have yet to see a new Tundra at a jobsite. Toyota doesn't seem to be interested in fleet sales and the 5.7L isn't available in a "work-truck" or "stripper" version that contractors desire. It's already more expensive than any of the Big-3 offerings (save the GMC Denali) and Toyota's lean inventory/ship-to-order system doesn't work with the traditional domestic truck buyer's preferences (the Big-3 have always maintained large inventories of trucks to instantly cater to customers).

The minor production hiccups have already damaged the truck's reputation and competition is about to put the hurt on Toyota even worse:

-GMT900s will get the 6.2L Vortec with 6-speed auto. By 2010, 1/2-tons will also offer the new 50-state "clean" CRD with more than 310 HP, 520 ft-#. The new joint-DCX-BMW-GM hybrid system is coming too, which will be offered in the GMT900 and new, redesigned 2009 Dodge trucks. Dodge will also be offering a "baby Cummins" for the 1500 and Nissan just inked a deal with Navistar (LOL, good luck).


This situation is starting to make me think Toyota's goal of 200,000 units/year is completely unrealistic. At best, the Tundra serves a role similar to what other import trucks such as the Titan and Ridgeline offer: light-duty consumer utility. Even then, I'm not sure what else Toyota can do to overcome the "Jap" discrimination that the Detroit-truck loyalists have. I know Toyota is trying and succeeding in certain areas, on TV and in showrooms. They're trying to make the "guts" of the truck look tougher than the competition's and giving some justification to being labeled as an American truck since they're assembled in Texas and Indiana. I still don't think the bulk of truck buyers are convinced though, since the badge still means everything and nobody is fooled into thinking Toyota's profits and engineering stays in the U.S.

Personally, I think it's friggin' hilarious. There are a few things Toyota does very well, and they should stick with it. 1/2-ton trucks are not one of them. The last bit of positive press built from Toyota came when the SR5 was fitted with the bulletproof 22R-E. Now we're given a truck that's advertised to be engineered better than the rest, yet the interior looks like it was supplied by Fisher-Price and the C-channel frame is supposed to support loads over 10,000#, while the public is convinced a fully-boxed frame isn't necessary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zShwG9l1F0Q
Using a C-channel design does not mean it's a weak frame.

Whether you like it or you hate it, clearly, the new Tundra is attracting a lot of attention, including the attention of domestic truck buyers.

The facts do not support your argument as the Tundra hit almost 22K sales in June. Since the Tundra's launch in February, sales have kept climbing every month. In fact for June, the Tundra outsold the GMC Sierra by a comfortable margin of around 7K units. Next on the list is the Dodge Ram, which the Tundra could realistically be outselling by next year.
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Um. Toyota most certainly DOES offer stripper versions of their trucks. Seems like you missed all the press releases during its development on how they did extensive studies into what real workers complained about in their current work trucks (big ***** meant for gloved hands, more leg room, bigger doorhandles, etc).

I see them all over here.

Hey JerryRig, quit buying into the Anti-toyota hype that you keep reading on the GM boards Semi-trucks have C-channel frames too, want to tell me how they can't tow anything over 10,000lbs? Toyota has stated WHY they didnt include a fully boxed frame (its pointless).

Funny about your avatar tho, I was thinking the same thing about USDM for you after reading
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Bean,

Thanks for noting the avatar; it appears to be working. Toyota doesn't seem to love me as much as they love you guys over here.

I certainly noticed all the features Toyota incorporated in the new Tundra; those things you mentioned on the interior as well as other unique items like the cabin doors, larger brakes, bigger ring/pinion gear, 10,000 # tow rating, etc. I have yet to see any "stripper versions" at dealerships though where they're trying to fetch premium prices equal to or better than some of the Big-3s 3/4-ton diesels. As such, they're not going to see the worksites for quite a while. It may eventually happen, but not soon enough for Toyota to make their sales goal. At current rates, they will have to sell between 19,000-20,000 units/month to meet their 200K/yr goal. I was shocked to see the truck go for 0%/60-month so quickly as this is territory that Toyota normally doesn't use. It must be working though, since the truck has the shortest turn-around of almost any vehicle available right now (avg. 15 days).

I don't hate the Tundra for being a Toyota [as much] as I hate it because it's a piece of garbage that looks like a truck but performs well short of the manufacturer's claims. Their marketing of this truck is brilliant, and for most people using the truck recreationally, it fits the bill just fine. I seriously doubt even 5% of their owners are going to try to hang 10,000# off the bumper ball and drive down a rutted road, but a heavy-duty truck should perform just as well as it looks. I'm not even sure how their owners could cross-shop this vehicle and think it's even remotely attractive compared to its competition... these must be the same people who appreciated the expansive masses of monotone plastic in the older Detroit-built trucks that they have now moved away from. Odd that Toyota and Nissan adopted painted-plastic dashboards so late in the game.


Is it also pointless for Toyota to include a fully-boxed frame when their competition was providing it even before the new Tundra was being designed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-jW-jkFX5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPfvOPAUIgw

Those are pretty funny too and Ford would be foolish NOT to use their own data for marketing just as Toyota has done. In other words, don't believe everything you see on TV.
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