marshmallo

Accord figures can only improve once they bring in that redesign.

Honda fans love the Accord and bought it DESPITE its unbelievably
bad styling. If I had to choose between the new Accord and the
new Camry I'd choose the Accord without a second thought.

doug_999

To be clear, this is your opinion and hey if this front end turns you on, then so be it.

Mr. Jones

it's called a discussion. and what one member values isn't always going to be the same as what you do.

sales data provides an excellent measure to follow the automotive industry.

marshmallo

I hate the Camry. I wouldn't touch it with a 1000 ft pole...

I guess I can also make the same statement in fairness :

Toyota fans love the Camry and buy it DESPITE its unbelievably
bad styling.

doug_999

Fair enough - IMHO the current Accord has bland styling (just like the old Camry did). The new Camry does at least have some styling to it - even if it is ugly (IMHO).

Och

iTrader: (3)

So you'd prefer ugly styling over plain bland styling? Would you take Aztek over Highlander?

encore888

Partial listing; Incendiary does a better job.

Entry-luxury class
12,738 3-series
7,232 ES 350
6,221 TL
5,182 IS 250/350
4,776 C-Class
4,425 G35 sedan

Mid-size luxury class
4,657 5-series
3,686 E-Class
2,021 GS 350/430/450h
1,845 M35/M45
1,095 A6

Flagship luxury class
2,631 LS 460/460 L
1,701 S-Class
1,053 7-series

doug_999

Absolutely NOT! That's one of the main reasons I prefer the Accord (not sure how you got that reversed however).

Och

iTrader: (3)

Well, you said that Camry has at least some styling, even if its ugly, while Accord has bland styling, so I figured you would prefer Camry over Accord.

Och

iTrader: (3)

I think I ask this question in every month's thread, but what the hell is selling the E class?

GSteg

iTrader: (15)

wow. i never thought the TL would outsell the IS250/350, especially since the TL is due for a new makeover

doug_999

I think the Type S saved the day. The fact is, it is hard to get all that the TL Type S offers at a lower price. Plus I love the exhaust tips on that baby!

Och

iTrader: (3)

Yeah, the TL-S is very very nice, but I doubt that it saved the day, I barely ever see one in the sea of regular TL-S. I think the hype of the new 3 series, IS, and G35 has died off, and people are turning back to the more sensible choice, lol.

LexFather

Japan June new vehicle sales fall for 24th straight month

Mon, Jul 2 2007, 05:53 GMT
http://www.afxnews.com



TOKYO (Thomson Financial) - Domestic sales of new cars, trucks and buses fell for the 24th straight month in June, with more Japanese consumers preferring to buy flat TVs and digital consumer goods than vehicles, the Japan Automobile Dealers Association said.

The drop in vehicle sales was also partly attributed to the increased use of cellular phones, which now accounts for the bulk of monthly fixed household costs in Japan.

The association said sales of new vehicles last month fell 11.2 percent year-on-year to 291,640 vehicles.

Car sales last month were down 9.5 pct year-on-year at 247,229, while sales of trucks fell 20.2 percent to 43,170 and bus sales dropped 1.4 percent to 1,241.

It was the third straight month that sales of all categories marked a year-on-year decline.

In the first half to June, sales of new vehicles fell 10.5 percent to 1.788 mln units, the second straight year that a decline was recorded in the first half.

Separately, the Japan Mini Vehicle Association reported that domestic sales of mini vehicles last month fell 6.1 percent from a year earlier to 170,526, the third straight monthly fall.

Mini-vehicle sales fell 1.7 percent to 1.05 mln in the six months to June, the first such fall in four years.

In June, vehicle sales fell in 10 out of 12 leading makers.

Japan's largest automaker Toyota Motor Corp reported a 12.9 percent drop in sales of standard-size cars to 124,281 vehicles, the tenth straight monthly fall, while second-ranked Nissan Motor Co reported a 6.3 percent fall in sales to 51,034 cars, the 21st consecutive month of fall.

However, sales of Toyota's high-end Lexus model shot up 57.6 percent to 2,957 cars.

Fifth-ranked Mazda Motor Corp saw sales drop 13.5 percent to 16,114 vehicles, falling for the 16th straight month, while at Fuji Heavy Industries, which makes Subaru brand cars, sales shrank 5.2 percent to 7,521 vehicles, the 23rd consecutive month of decline.

Bucking the trend was fourth-largest automaker Mitsubishi Motor Corp, whose sales rose 8.6 percent to 6,557 vehicles, the third straight monthly rise.

Suzuki also posted sales growth, with vehicle sales rising 8.6 percent to 6,892, the fifth rise in six months.

Truck sales at Japan's largest truck maker, Isuzu Motors Corp, fell 20.8 percent to 5,970 trucks, while sales at Mitsubishi Fuso Truck and Bus Corp declined 28.5 percent to 5,570 trucks.

Sales at Nissan Diesel Motor Co Ltd, now controlled by Volvo, dropped 39.7 percent to 1,171 vehicles, and at Hino Motors, a Toyota subsidiary, sales dropped 20.6 percent to 3,766.

In the mini-vehicle sector, sales at erstwhile industry leader Suzuki fell 4.6 percent to 50,086, while sales at rival Daihatsu rose 0.8 percent to 56,390.

As a result, Suzuki has fallen to the No. 2 spot with a 30.7 percent market share against new market leader Daihatsu's 32.4 percent.

GS69

LeftLaneNews
June was a strong month in the United States for several Japanese and German automakers. But domestic manufacturers General Motors and Ford Motor Company saw what has become an increasingly common theme: steeply declining sales in the United States.

GM took the biggest hit, with sales dropping 21.3 percent versus 2006. Specific details on the General's June sales aren't currently available.

The biggest gainer, percentage-wise, was Mitsubishi, whose sales were up 30.1 percent over the previous year thanks mostly to a heavily revised Lancer sedan. Automakers who have released June '07 sales figures are as follows:

• Mitsubishi: Up 30.1 percent.
• Nissan: Up 22.7 percent.
• Jeep: Up 19 percent; Strong sales of the Wrangler.
• Volkswagen: Up 15 percent; the Eos posted its second-best month ever.
• Porsche: Up 13 percent; Cayenne sales were up 57 percent over June '06.
• Honda/Acura: Up 11.5 percent combined.
• Infiniti: Up 9.3 percent.
• Mazda: Up 8.6 percent.
• Suzuki: Up 8.5 percent.
• Toyota/Lexus: Up 6.1 percent combined.
• BMW: Up 6 percent.
• Hyundai/Kia: Up 5.1 percent.

The biggest decline reported in detail so far is Ford Motor Company, whose overall sales in the U.S. were down 8.1 percent. Ford blames most of the decline to significantly decreased rental fleet sales. The FoMoCo's umbrella looked like this in June:

• Ford: Down 9.7 percent.
• Mercury: Down 6.1 percent.
• Lincoln: Up 30 percent.
• Jaguar: Down 34.7 percent.
• Volvo: Down 11.9 percent.
• Land Rover: Up 8.1 percent.

Also posting negative sales compared to '06 were:

• Subaru: Down 7.4 percent.
• Mercedes-Benz: Down 6 percent.
• Audi: Down 3.1 percent despite strong sales of the new TT.
• Chrysler Group: Down 1 percent as a whole.