Audi RS4 vs M3 part II
07-18-07, 04:06 PM
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The 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times of the 335i are close to the M3, and the aforementioned track times from C & D of the 335i. The previous gen E46 M3 had a bigger gap between it and the top "regular" 3 Series of the day, then compared to the 335i and the E92 M3.
07-18-07, 04:13 PM
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Only in case of everything else being equal...
If the car is "nervous" or unstable around the track, I doubt the new owner will enjoy it as much as a better sorted out car (even if there is a minor difference in lap times between them). One example that comes to mind is the Z06, pre-rear shock change. It was very quick on the track, but everyone that drove it at C&D reported white knuckles and gastro-intestinal spasms while flogging it on the track.
If the car is "nervous" or unstable around the track, I doubt the new owner will enjoy it as much as a better sorted out car (even if there is a minor difference in lap times between them). One example that comes to mind is the Z06, pre-rear shock change. It was very quick on the track, but everyone that drove it at C&D reported white knuckles and gastro-intestinal spasms while flogging it on the track.
07-18-07, 05:31 PM
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just talked to my friend. with the chip, it gives the car another 45-50 hp at the wheels. he said usually base is around 280hp, and with the chip it goes to 325 to 330hp (at the wheels).
that's pretty big jump in power with the chip, and i am sure it gets much closer to the m3
that's pretty big jump in power with the chip, and i am sure it gets much closer to the m3
07-18-07, 05:43 PM
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New M3 should put out probably close to 360+ to the wheels without any mod. Assume they are about the same weight and M3 having better handling, around the track, there is no way new M3 is neck and neck with 335i. It will not be close.
just talked to my friend. with the chip, it gives the car another 45-50 hp at the wheels. he said usually base is around 280hp, and with the chip it goes to 325 to 330hp (at the wheels).
that's pretty big jump in power with the chip, and i am sure it gets much closer to the m3
that's pretty big jump in power with the chip, and i am sure it gets much closer to the m3
07-19-07, 06:27 AM
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"Dropping the hammer from a standstill, we blasted to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, 0.4 second quicker than the previous car, with the quarter-mile dispatched in 12.9 seconds at 111 mph, an even larger, 0.7-second gain. The surface wasn’t ideal, however, and we expect even better numbers once we get an M3 to our usual test track. Even so, that’s already enough to outrun the $69,785 Audi RS 4."
The rest can be found here from C&D http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...08-bmw-m3.html
The rest can be found here from C&D http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...08-bmw-m3.html
07-19-07, 07:09 AM
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I think you're being a tad optimistic with your figures. On a proper "loaded" dyno (ie Mustang Dyno), the older 333hp rated m3 only registers roughly 230 hp at the wheels. I would give the e92 around 290 based on previous figures as well as reported trap speeds in the quarter mile.
07-19-07, 07:27 AM
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You are smoking crack if you think E46 m3 puts down 230something RWHP with any dyno. The idiot didn't know how to dyno M3. That 230something comes from 6000 rev limiter when you are hooked up to a dyno. There is a workaround that let you properly dyno to the real 8000 redline. Any stock E46 M3 should put out somewhere in the 270+ RWHP range.
I think you're being a tad optimistic with your figures. On a proper "loaded" dyno (ie Mustang Dyno), the older 333hp rated m3 only registers roughly 230 hp at the wheels. I would give the e92 around 290 based on previous figures as well as reported trap speeds in the quarter mile.
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07-19-07, 09:49 AM
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You are smoking crack if you think E46 m3 puts down 230something RWHP with any dyno. The idiot didn't know how to dyno M3. That 230something comes from 6000 rev limiter when you are hooked up to a dyno. There is a workaround that let you properly dyno to the real 8000 redline. Any stock E46 M3 should put out somewhere in the 270+ RWHP range.
Fyi - the m3s were dyno'd properly and ran the appropriate ets and traps for its given measurements.
07-19-07, 10:02 AM
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Fyi - here's a dyno plot of my evo modified (350whp) overlayed with its stock numbers (211whp, albeit rated 289hp by the factory). Parasitic drivetrain loss combined with properly loaded (and calibrated) mustang dyno figures will make people think twice about what they really put down in power:
