This makes me want an Acura MDX Sport!
#31
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Anyway, I am not really comparing between brands/models, all I am saying you can get improvement with look, performance, and mpg by using better aftermarket rims/tires. I can not tell you how much MDX's OEM rim weight because I don't owe one. But MDX rims is made of alloy material and not the light weight yet strong forged alloy, there is room for improvement, such as getting better mpg, way better than 10.5 mpg
#32
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The other part was the cheap switchgear and gauges in the Acura. I was ok with the gauges, but my wife HATED them. We both hated the nav/radio/climate controls. There's like 7,000 cheap-looking buttons with a big ugly **** right in the middle.
We drove a lot of things in our search, from 8 or 10 different brands, but the MDX didn't even merit a test drive.
#33
?? We picked the RX over the MDX, in part, due to lack of space in the MDX. Neither of us could fit in the back seat, nor could we install a car seat back there when one of us was seated comfortably in the front seat.
The other part was the cheap switchgear and gauges in the Acura. I was ok with the gauges, but my wife HATED them. We both hated the nav/radio/climate controls. There's like 7,000 cheap-looking buttons with a big ugly **** right in the middle.
The other part was the cheap switchgear and gauges in the Acura. I was ok with the gauges, but my wife HATED them. We both hated the nav/radio/climate controls. There's like 7,000 cheap-looking buttons with a big ugly **** right in the middle.
Also (joke) you can't fit a baby seat in the rear of a MDX (middle row) I'd like some action on the bet. I fit two car seats in the back seat of a 1999 Passat want to bet two car seats won't fit in the middle row of a MDX?
It's great you love the RX350 I'm not taking anything away from that car it's fine, but the middle seat room debate is a laugh and not to be believed. I'm 6-3 and and I can sit behind myself in the MDX how tall are you and your wife?.
As for the switches and 'huge ugly ****' on the MDX we get it you're not a fan. I don't agree with everything on the MDX or crazy button mess they have. But the buttons and ***** are not cheap-*** and the quality of most of the interior is at or above industry norm.
edit, just looked up the interior room of the MDX: SAE passanger volume:
Front 58 cu-ft
Middle 53 cu-ft
Rear 31 cu-ft.
the RX350 has a total front + rear of 102 cu-ft vs MDX of 111 cu-ft MDX (front and middle) and 143 cu-ft (total passanger space).
Again my point is not to say the MDX is better than the RX350 but anyone that goes saying the MDX is less roomie than the RX350 is smoking something strong.
Last edited by rai; 07-29-07 at 04:38 PM.
#34
When considering light alloy wheels, also consider the strenght and how prone they are to damage. For instance, on my old 94 GS300 with stock alloy wheels, I had a tire blow out at 85 mph, the tire was shred in pieces, and the rim sustained no damage much to my amazement. On my GS430 however, I bent a rim by driving over a big pothole at like 15mph, the tire got a bubble, but didn't blow out, and the rim bent out of round. I'm sure the old GS rims were much heavier, but they were a lot more durable, and better suited for real driving. It's not like we drive on glass smooth tracks, most of us drive on crappy roads.
Here is a good link that explains well http://www.wheelweights.net/
It is safe to say superior material and design are more elegant solution than just adding more mass to gain strength.
Construction Techniques
Forging (including SSF which is a true forging) results in a much stronger wheel. The wheel can therefore be made lighter than a cast wheel, while still maintaining superior strength.
Relative wheel strengths are as follows: 1-piece forged, multi-piece forged, die (high-pressure) cast, vacuum cast, low pressure cast and gravity cast. The strengths are only relative because weight (or actual mass) affects a wheel's strength, as does the actual design.
Forging (including SSF which is a true forging) results in a much stronger wheel. The wheel can therefore be made lighter than a cast wheel, while still maintaining superior strength.
Relative wheel strengths are as follows: 1-piece forged, multi-piece forged, die (high-pressure) cast, vacuum cast, low pressure cast and gravity cast. The strengths are only relative because weight (or actual mass) affects a wheel's strength, as does the actual design.
#35
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Vehicles that DO offer sideways-mounted V8's, like the Chevy Impala SS, Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, and some Cadillacs, also have marked torque steer under hard acceleration...you have to fight the wheel to keep the car in a straight line. These cars also all have more underhood space for a large engine than the MDX.
Then there is the matter of fitting the existing Acura transmissions and SH-AWD to a new V8 engine, no matter if sideways or longitudionally-mounted, and how much torque you are dealing with.
Perhaps a V8 could be adapted to future MDX's, but I wouldn't look for it on this generation model. At this point, it would require an almost total redesign, for reasons which I stated..........and others.
And, BTW, Mike, remember my mini-review of the new 2007 RDX stuck in with my longer 2007 MDX review? Drive the RDX with the new turbo 4 (Acura's first in the U.S. market). In the light and agile RDX, that engine gives you close-to-V8 performance as it is........in the type of test-driving I gave it at least, after a slight turbo lag, it handily dusted off the MDX's larger (and heavier) V6 in low-to-medium speed acceleration.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-29-07 at 02:01 PM.
#41
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Clearly there is a disconnect between reality and you're assumption. The MDX is as roomie as the RX350, every second row measurment is the same or better than the RX350. Maybe a squiggle here or there the RX has a bit more room but surely has less room overall.
Also (joke) you can't fit a baby seat in the rear of a MDX (middle row) I'd like some action on the bet. I fit two car seats in the back seat of a 1999 Passat want to bet two car seats won't fit in the middle row of a MDX?
Also (joke) you can't fit a baby seat in the rear of a MDX (middle row) I'd like some action on the bet. I fit two car seats in the back seat of a 1999 Passat want to bet two car seats won't fit in the middle row of a MDX?
Not smoking anything, just couldn't get comfortable in the back seat. I LOVED the front seats in the MDX, my wife didn't have a preference. But since it's primarily her car and will spend the vast majority of its time carrying four people, overall comfort (front and back) was more important than how I felt in the driver's seat. I'm content to enjoy the driver's seat in my bimmer on the rare occasion I get to drive it.
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