Toyota, Isuzu agree to develop diesel engines & truck technology
08-26-07, 10:36 AM
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Right, but my point is, the top selling automaker in the world (Toyota) shouldn’t have to rely on a company like Isuzu to help further develop their diesel technology. But hey, I guess whatever saves them a buck or two is good. Unfortunately though, that seems to be too much of their focus lately and their products seem to have suffered as a result. 
ANd why not? That is their area of expertise, EVERY other automaker does these kinds of things.
08-26-07, 05:33 PM
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Toyota owns a 5.9 percent stake in Isuzu. Isuzu formed a capital alliance with Toyota in November after dissolving its tie-up with General Motors Corp. in April 2006.
The current U.S.-market Isuzu I-model pickups and Ascender SUV are both re-badged versions of existing GM products.
08-26-07, 05:43 PM
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Right, but my point is, the top selling automaker in the world (Toyota) shouldn’t have to rely on a company like Isuzu to help further develop their diesel technology. But hey, I guess whatever saves them a buck or two is good. Unfortunately though, that seems to be too much of their focus lately and their products seem to have suffered as a result.
They are not DEPENDING, they are partnering. Again, Nissan outright BUYING old tech is depending.
Slightly off-topic, maybe, but it will be interesting to see what the next American-market Isuzu vehicles look like....or where they come from. Me and 1SICKLEX have both speculated several times on how long Isuzu will stay here or if they will pack up and leave.
The current U.S.-market Isuzu I-model pickups and Ascender SUV are both re-badged versions of existing GM products.
The current U.S.-market Isuzu I-model pickups and Ascender SUV are both re-badged versions of existing GM products.
08-26-07, 06:43 PM
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Isuzu is responsible for GM's Duramax diesels, which far outclass the Ford diesels and even Dodge's Cummins unit.
Isuzu should not be doubted when it comes to diesel. They are the sensei here, not Toyota. Believe it.
08-26-07, 06:50 PM
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Right, but my point is, the top selling automaker in the world (Toyota) shouldn’t have to rely on a company like Isuzu to help further develop their diesel technology. But hey, I guess whatever saves them a buck or two is good. Unfortunately though, that seems to be too much of their focus lately and their products seem to have suffered as a result.
The people on the GMI forum were PISSED when this news broke out. Make no mistake, Toyota knew exactly what they were doing when they went to Isuzu for help.
Toyota will be taking the back seat in this relationship, as Isuzu have more expertise.
I just hope Toyota is serious about truly BRINGING the fruits of this diesel relationship to the US in a big way. The new clean diesels compete directly with the hybrid system that Toyota has built their recent image and reputation around. A diesel hybrid would make the most sense to marry these two in a convenient, internally non-competitive way. My only concern is that all the other Japanese companies have pretty much laid out their plans for diesel in the US in some greater detail, whereas Toyota seems behind the curve. They were smart enough to know they couldn't do it themselves, so they turned to Isuzu. A clutch play.
I'll be keeping my fingers crossed.
08-26-07, 07:35 PM
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I drove my first diesel the other day. It was a Duramax in a 24 foot GMC Budget truck. It really accelerated when you were moving, but from a stand still it was a dog. 9.5 MPG for a mountainous 200 miles trip.
08-27-07, 08:41 AM
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Toyota's truck unit, Isuzu agree to develop truck technology
Toyota's truck unit, Isuzu agree to develop truck technology
Yuri Kageyama / Associated Press
Monday, August 27, 2007
TOKYO -- Japanese truck maker Isuzu and Toyota stepped up their collaboration Monday, announcing they will work together to develop a system to make diesel engine exhaust cleaner.
Isuzu Motors Ltd., a Toyota partner, will work with Hino Motors Ltd., Toyota's truck subsidiary, on the green diesel technology, and to develop heavy-duty truck cabins, where the truck driver sits, both sides said in a statement.
Isuzu and Hino, which already work together producing buses and truck components, said the agreement will help cut development costs by allowing the manufacturers to share technology at a time when global ecological standards are expected to get tougher.
Last week, Tokyo-based Isuzu said it will work with Toyota Motor Corp., Japan's top automaker, to develop and produce small 1.6 liter diesel engines for Toyota vehicles sold in Europe, with production set to start 2012.
Through such deals, Toyota will be able to take advantage of Isuzu's highly reputed diesel technology.
Toyota owns a 5.9 percent stake in Isuzu, which formed a capital alliance with Toyota in November after dissolving its tie-up with General Motors Corp. in April 2006.
Toyota and Hino said they foresee intensifying competition in the truck and bus markets around the world.
Yuri Kageyama / Associated Press
Monday, August 27, 2007
TOKYO -- Japanese truck maker Isuzu and Toyota stepped up their collaboration Monday, announcing they will work together to develop a system to make diesel engine exhaust cleaner.
Isuzu Motors Ltd., a Toyota partner, will work with Hino Motors Ltd., Toyota's truck subsidiary, on the green diesel technology, and to develop heavy-duty truck cabins, where the truck driver sits, both sides said in a statement.
Isuzu and Hino, which already work together producing buses and truck components, said the agreement will help cut development costs by allowing the manufacturers to share technology at a time when global ecological standards are expected to get tougher.
Last week, Tokyo-based Isuzu said it will work with Toyota Motor Corp., Japan's top automaker, to develop and produce small 1.6 liter diesel engines for Toyota vehicles sold in Europe, with production set to start 2012.
Through such deals, Toyota will be able to take advantage of Isuzu's highly reputed diesel technology.
Toyota owns a 5.9 percent stake in Isuzu, which formed a capital alliance with Toyota in November after dissolving its tie-up with General Motors Corp. in April 2006.
Toyota and Hino said they foresee intensifying competition in the truck and bus markets around the world.
08-27-07, 08:43 AM
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The only reason you say that is because you are unaware of the praise Isuzu diesels have gotten in the US in the form of the GM Duramax motors in their heavy-duty pickups.
The people on the GMI forum were PISSED when this news broke out. Make no mistake, Toyota knew exactly what they were doing when they went to Isuzu for help.
Toyota will be taking the back seat in this relationship, as Isuzu have more expertise.
I just hope Toyota is serious about truly BRINGING the fruits of this diesel relationship to the US in a big way. The new clean diesels compete directly with the hybrid system that Toyota has built their recent image and reputation around. A diesel hybrid would make the most sense to marry these two in a convenient, internally non-competitive way. My only concern is that all the other Japanese companies have pretty much laid out their plans for diesel in the US in some greater detail, whereas Toyota seems behind the curve. They were smart enough to know they couldn't do it themselves, so they turned to Isuzu. A clutch play.
I'll be keeping my fingers crossed.
The people on the GMI forum were PISSED when this news broke out. Make no mistake, Toyota knew exactly what they were doing when they went to Isuzu for help.
Toyota will be taking the back seat in this relationship, as Isuzu have more expertise.
I just hope Toyota is serious about truly BRINGING the fruits of this diesel relationship to the US in a big way. The new clean diesels compete directly with the hybrid system that Toyota has built their recent image and reputation around. A diesel hybrid would make the most sense to marry these two in a convenient, internally non-competitive way. My only concern is that all the other Japanese companies have pretty much laid out their plans for diesel in the US in some greater detail, whereas Toyota seems behind the curve. They were smart enough to know they couldn't do it themselves, so they turned to Isuzu. A clutch play.
I'll be keeping my fingers crossed.
lol... joke post of the year?
08-27-07, 09:52 AM
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Toyota has considerable diesel experience just like Isuzu; is everyone forgetting Toyota's truck division Hino? Or Toyota's European diesels which are critically praised?
Toyota is working with Isuzu to boost their competitiveness. This relationship is going to be long-term and much more significant than what Isuzu and GM ever achieved. We've got the small 1.6L diesel the two companies are working on, and now we've got the announcement that Hino and Isuzu will work together on green diesel technology as well as truck cabins. Hino is known worldwide for the quality trucks they make, especially their cabins. Isuzu could learn a thing or two about making truck cabins, so it makes sense for them to work with Hino.
This is a mutual relationship with both Isuzu and Toyota benefitting.
This makes sense as worldwide competition is intensifying. Due to Japan's collective society, more and more Japanese companies are working together under tougher competition.
Toyota is working with Isuzu to boost their competitiveness. This relationship is going to be long-term and much more significant than what Isuzu and GM ever achieved. We've got the small 1.6L diesel the two companies are working on, and now we've got the announcement that Hino and Isuzu will work together on green diesel technology as well as truck cabins. Hino is known worldwide for the quality trucks they make, especially their cabins. Isuzu could learn a thing or two about making truck cabins, so it makes sense for them to work with Hino.
This is a mutual relationship with both Isuzu and Toyota benefitting.
This makes sense as worldwide competition is intensifying. Due to Japan's collective society, more and more Japanese companies are working together under tougher competition.
08-27-07, 04:11 PM
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Hardly.
In case you didn't get the memo, Toyota's D4D isn't all that anymore. Honda and the Europeans, like BMW, Renault, et. al. have upped the game in recent years with their offerings, and Toyota is playing catch-up.
In case you didn't get the memo, Toyota's D4D isn't all that anymore. Honda and the Europeans, like BMW, Renault, et. al. have upped the game in recent years with their offerings, and Toyota is playing catch-up.
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08-27-07, 05:17 PM
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didnt toyota to something similar with subaru, subaru is gonna make camry's at their indian plants. Toyota will help out subaru with hybrid, and im sure subaru will help toyota with awd.
Its good to see toyota teaming up with companies for their strongpoints. Good buisness.
all i really want to know is
WHERE IS MY HYBRID DIESEL FJ CRUISER. I WANT IT NOW!
-J
Oh and speaking of diesel, am i the only one who faintly remembers toyota making the diesels for some minicoopers in europe. Did i dream that up, becuase i thought i read that.
Its good to see toyota teaming up with companies for their strongpoints. Good buisness.
all i really want to know is
WHERE IS MY HYBRID DIESEL FJ CRUISER. I WANT IT NOW!
-J
Oh and speaking of diesel, am i the only one who faintly remembers toyota making the diesels for some minicoopers in europe. Did i dream that up, becuase i thought i read that.
08-27-07, 06:15 PM
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Also in case you didn't know, Toyota has a new generation of diesel engines coming out in Europe in 2008.
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