Toyota FT-HS Hybrid 0-60mph 4.0 sec
09-11-07 | 11:39 PM
#16
ok, so why is this a big deal? Well the FT-HS isn't a normal hybrid either. It also runs on capacitors instead of batteries, just as the HV-R. A LOT lighter than batteries. There was also an article, which i can't find at the moment, that stated that the FT-HS was supposed to be incredible overall, but it was also meant to be "explosive" in turns, meaning that in the exits, it had explosive acceleration. A capacitor would work there, since capacitors can release a full charge in a matter of seconds. Also, Toyota has gone to great lenghts to make this car light. Sure it's a concept, but those Carbon Fiber rims and carbon fiber front cross members aren't there just for show.
I hope I get proved wrong. I would love to see this technology work.
09-11-07 | 11:54 PM
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Shed a few hundred kilos (which it can since it's not loaded like a GS is) and add that extra power (and torque) and it's believable.
09-12-07 | 12:26 AM
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Ah yes, but when you're talking 0-60 (0-100km/h), it takes a lot more power just to shave off 1 second. 
Going from 8 seconds to 7 seconds is easy. Going from 5 seconds to 4 seconds isn't
None the less, I'm anxious to see what will result of this project. Though I really hope they consider some sort redesign. And please change the name.
"FT-HS" is not something most people will remember, and it doesn't sound too pleasing either
Going from 8 seconds to 7 seconds is easy. Going from 5 seconds to 4 seconds isn't None the less, I'm anxious to see what will result of this project. Though I really hope they consider some sort redesign. And please change the name.
"FT-HS" is not something most people will remember, and it doesn't sound too pleasing either
09-12-07 | 12:57 AM
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61HP will not take 1.2 seconds unless the car weighs significantly less than the GS, which I suppose it feasible. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though. However, with all the technology and materials going into this car seems like Toyota might miss the target market with this, from a price standpoint anyway.
09-12-07 | 07:45 AM
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You must first understand that Electric motors have virtually zero take off lag. If they figure out a way to control the torque and can develop the 400hp they are shooting for I think it would be pretty easy to get it there in around 4 seconds.
09-12-07 | 10:27 AM
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Have capacitor technology changed much over the past decades? Batteries are practically capacitors anyways. The problem I see with using capacitors is that they may discharge too quickly. I suppose it'll work in turns, but I'm not sure if anyone really wants a sudden surge of power in the corner. That's just asking the car to slide around. But capacitors would definitely not work in a straight line or over a long course, not without recharging. The short burst of power will probably help initial launch, but that's probably it.
I hope I get proved wrong. I would love to see this technology work.
I hope I get proved wrong. I would love to see this technology work.
09-12-07 | 11:21 AM
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That's exactly what i was thinking. It did phenomenol in Japan's 24 hour race. I can definitely see it in the Le Mans.
09-12-07 | 12:50 PM
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No way will the FT-HS get to 60 in 4 seconds. the Tesla roadster does it in 4 seconds with ONLY an electric system and weighs about 2500 lbs...its also based on an elise body so its super light. The vette only weighs 3200 lbs and its has 400+ horsepower to get to around 4.3 seconds.
09-12-07 | 01:24 PM
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Ah yes, but when you're talking 0-60 (0-100km/h), it takes a lot more power just to shave off 1 second. Going from 8 seconds to 7 seconds is easy. Going from 5 seconds to 4 seconds isn't
None the less, I'm anxious to see what will result of this project. Though I really hope they consider some sort redesign. And please change the name.
"FT-HS" is not something most people will remember, and it doesn't sound too pleasing either
Going from 8 seconds to 7 seconds is easy. Going from 5 seconds to 4 seconds isn't None the less, I'm anxious to see what will result of this project. Though I really hope they consider some sort redesign. And please change the name.
"FT-HS" is not something most people will remember, and it doesn't sound too pleasing either
GSTeg is right. Think about the new G37 and previous G35 coupe, although the G37 weighs a bit more, it has a 55HP advantage yet is not much, if at all, faster to 60.
61HP will not take 1.2 seconds unless the car weighs significantly less than the GS, which I suppose it feasible. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though. However, with all the technology and materials going into this car seems like Toyota might miss the target market with this, from a price standpoint anyway.
61HP will not take 1.2 seconds unless the car weighs significantly less than the GS, which I suppose it feasible. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though. However, with all the technology and materials going into this car seems like Toyota might miss the target market with this, from a price standpoint anyway.
Plus, remember that the FT-HS will have two advantages over, say a Corvette - instant max torque and no shifts will help shave a few crucial tenths of a second.
09-12-07 | 08:18 PM
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mmhmm, I agree. But the GSh weighs 1,875kg. I'm sure if they drop it to 1,500kg that can do it. You can't possibly tell me that a 375kg weight loss isn't significant enough.
Plus, remember that the FT-HS will have two advantages over, say a Corvette - instant max torque and no shifts will help shave a few crucial tenths of a second.
Plus, remember that the FT-HS will have two advantages over, say a Corvette - instant max torque and no shifts will help shave a few crucial tenths of a second.
09-12-07 | 08:48 PM
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GSTeg is right. Think about the new G37 and previous G35 coupe, although the G37 weighs a bit more, it has a 55HP advantage yet is not much, if at all, faster to 60.
61HP will not take 1.2 seconds unless the car weighs significantly less than the GS, which I suppose it feasible. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though. However, with all the technology and materials going into this car seems like Toyota might miss the target market with this, from a price standpoint anyway.
61HP will not take 1.2 seconds unless the car weighs significantly less than the GS, which I suppose it feasible. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though. However, with all the technology and materials going into this car seems like Toyota might miss the target market with this, from a price standpoint anyway.
A bit more? The G37 is a downright pig. When you add around 400lbs to a car and only "55hp", you dont get so much.
This car theoretically would weigh in around 3000-3100lbs. It uses capacitor-based power output and a lightweight aluminum engine. If a gasoline-based C5 Z06 with 405hp could do 0-60 in UNDER 4 seconds... I'd imagine a similar weighted 400hp car with a much fatter powerband would be able to do it in at least 4. I think most of you dont understand how an electric motor works. The GS450h is very portly at nearly 4200lbs and makes 339hp and does it in low 5s. The 3500-3600lb IS350 can hit low 5s at 306hp
