carguy101

If the GT-R can beat a 911 Turbo around the track and can rival the Carrera-GT, I do not think that "it's very likely" that the LF-A will beat the GT-R on the track. We'll see though.

bitkahuna

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We'll also see what an LF-A costs. If it's way more than the GT-R it better give lapdances as well.

carguy101

Isn't the current speculation that the GT-R will be about $70k and the LF-A will be about $110k?

TXSTYLE

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By no means am I dissing on the LF-A or ANY Lexus so let me make that VERY plain. Lexus makes a SOLID automobile and let's not forget I was a satisfied owner for years. BUT... I also will give props to OTHER manufacturers when they are do!
That being said... For the $, Nissan will easily (from what we see and read) be a Giant-Killer. Am I expecting the lap-o-luxury from such a performance-minded purpose-built car branded as a Nissan? No!
I'm also NOT expecting the LF-A, V10 and all, to out-handle the car we are reading about here! It may not even out-accellerate it. Top-End? Maybe. The Lexus IMO will be a Grand-Tourer with solid perfromance skills. And it will be much heavier than 3,500 lbs when all is said and done.
I wouldn't even start hyping the Super-Lex up til we read info like this of posted times at The Ring.

LexFather

I doubt the LF-A is heavier, it won't have AWD for instance and might be built with materials like carbon fiber.

The GT-R and LF-A will be two different interpretations. The GT-R is a techno tour de force with a great price and likely, rough edges. The LF-A is smaller (shorter than a 911) with a N/A V-10 or hybrid option and more pure in feel, being RWD.

The GT-R at 70k is just wow, once people can get past looks (if they don't like it) or the badge. People rarely drop over 50k for an Infiniti, not sure if a 70k Nissan will sell. Hell the Acura NSX sold poorly after the first couple years.

I do hope people LOOK PAST the badge and give the GT-R a chance.

Gojirra99

NISSAN ANNOUNCES FIRST DETAILS ON NEW GT-R

26 Sep 2007

- Global website goes live today -

Tokyo, Japan, (September 26, 2007) – Nissan today started the pre-launch activities in support of the all-new GT-R, the high performance sports car to be revealed at the Tokyo Motor Show on October 24th. Central to the launch of GT-R, which will ultimately go on sale around the world, is a dedicated website that will provide all information on the car, including latest news, specifications and where to buy. The address for the website is http://www.gtrnissan.com/ and will available in six languages: Japanese, English, Spanish, German, French and Italian.

With sales due to start in Japan in December, Nissan is today also confirming the final name of the car. Previous generations of this car were known as the Skyline GT-R; the new name for this car is simply “Nissan GT-R” in all global market. Supporting substantial early customer interest in the Nissan GT-R, the company is today making available for customers in Japan some initial details including basic specifications, colors and practical information on placing pre-orders. Prices in Japan for the Nissan GT-R will start from around 7.8 million yen.

In support of the sale of the Nissan GT-R, the company also announced today the establishment of 160 Nissan High Performance Centers in Japan. These centers have been established to provide specialist sales and servicing support for customers of the Nissan GT-R.

Source: GT-R Nissan

TXSTYLE

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And how bout this...

TRDFantasy

That's all based on an "IF". We don't even know yet IF the GT-R is faster than a 997 Turbo around the track, and I highly doubt the GT-R will rival a Carerra GT around the track. But I agree, we'll see.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions while knowing very little about the LF-A. Have you even seen the spy videos of the LF-A at the 'Ring? If you have, then it's quite clear that the car will be definitely MORE than just a "Grand Tourer with solid performance skills". The SC is a Grand Tourer. The LF-A is going to be a supercar and nothing less. Just wait and see. I am very confident that the LF-A production car will shock us all, myself included.

Heavier than 3500lbs? That's a HUGE assumption. The LF-A in dimensions is smaller than a 911. Rumours are that Lexus is aiming for a curb weight under 3000 lbs and over 550HP from the V10. I doubt that even the rumoured hybrid model of the LF-A will weight over 3500lbs.

In the next few weeks we should see some info from Lexus about the LF-A that will hopefully end some of this silly speculation .

92 SC400

Hasn't it been pretty much confirmed more than a few times already the GT-R is beating the Porsche Turbo around the track? I too have my doubts about beating the Carerra GT around a track or anywhere else for that matter, but we'll see I guess. Being faster than a Porsche Turbo while being cheaper is still a pretty good accomplishment IMO.

MR_F1

Sorry I didn't check back on this thread earlier.

Yeah, I'll get in on that bet. I bet the GT-R will NOT rival the Carrera GT (aside from Nissan's own marketing spin) and that the LF-A will soundly beat the GT-R around ANY track (except in the wet).

Maybe the Evo model would step the game up enough (3100-3400lbs, 530hp), coupled with its awd to do some very close laptimes, but NO 3500-3800lb, 480hp car (that isn't a ringer modified to 600+hp) will do those sort of laptimes.

I have a huge amount of respect for the GT-R, but lets be realistic here. V10 + sub 3000lb chassis > turbo v6 with 3500lb+ chassis. Period.

MR_F1

p.s. the Supra held its own against the GT-R ANYWHERE...the awd system of the GT-R give it a huge advantage, and the Supra was still able to keep up. Not bad for a Z competitor huh?

Koma

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So will they put out a lightweight hardcore version?

At launch you never see a car and it's higher trims immediately. Imagine if the M3 was launched with the CSL at the same time.

Mike the GT-R is supposed to use exotic materials as well.

speedflex

Let's just wait and see shall we? Paper specs are only as good as they translate into real performance. And right now we have more info on the Gt-R than the LF-A (and why are these 2 cars being compared anyway?)

It could go either way. Noone can talk with any real confidence about the dominance of either car at this point.

Gojirra99

September 26th, 2007

Just yesterday Nissan started its pre-launch activities for the Nissan GT-R by launching an official web site. While sales for the Nissan GT-R begin in December for Japan, Nissan will start taking orders today with an official brochure launched later today. However the guys over at NAGTROC have put together a spec sheet with all the information they can find.

More official information will come through today.


There are three trim levels:

- Base: $66,675 alloy wheels
- Black Edition: $68,580 forged wheels, black/red leather seats
- Premium Edition: $71,870, forged wheels, side airbags, Bose,

There are 6 exterior colors:

- Super Black
- Vibrant Red
- Pearl White (30k yen option)
- Titanium Grey
- Dark Metal Grey (according to a magazine, they will only produce 40 cars a month with this color)
- Ultimate Metal Silver (300k yen option)

There are 2 interior colors:

- Black edition only gets black
- Base and Premium can choose black or grey

Wheels and Tires:

- Base GT-R comes with unnamed alloys and Dunlop Sport tires
- Black and Premium editions come with Rays wheels and Bridgestone RE070s (run flat).

Other:

- The chassis code is CBA-R35
- Weight is ~1590 kg/3500 lbs
- Premium edition comes with a Thatcham class immobiliser and alarm (optional on the Base and Black Edition)
- Premium edition comes with a Bose sound system (optional on the Base and Black Edition)
- Premium edition has seat heater
- Side airbag system is optional on all 3 trims

Engine and Drivetrain:

- The engine designation is VR38DETT (Twin Turbocharged 3.8-liter V6)
- The engine performance of the 3 trims is the same
- There is no Manual transmission option

Optional:

- Titanium muffler (10 kg lighter)
- Anti-theft immobilizer 250,000 yen

There will be 160 high performance centers throughout Japan specialized in servicing the GT-R with GT-R specific mechanics (written in the preorder material).

splitfire

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Nissan official GTR site with count down clock....

http://www.gtrnissan.com/index.en.us.html

I own of all 3 previous generation R32, R33, R34 GT-Rs and there will be no exception I'm going to be one of the first one to have a new GT-R will be in my driveway