F1Driver

Easy, Honda S2000. You never said it had to be new.

F1Driver

There's more powertrain loss with RWD.

ydooby

The S2000 was $35k when new in its last year, not exactly affordable, or at least not a direct competitor to the sub-$25k segment. But if you're gonna talk about used cars, might as well include the older 911s and such.

cino

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and Lotus Elise too. LOL

Kostamojen

Currently for sale = new.

F1Driver

The Mazda RX-8 is about 3000 lbs. The Porsche Cayman is under 3000 lbs. And they're both for currently for sale.

ydooby

The RX-8's weight starts at 3,065lbs, not exactly "under" 3,000lbs. The Cayman's pricing starts at $52k, not exactly "affordable".

F1Driver

It's all relative. The RX-8 is pumping out 232hp, 35 more hp than the FR-S. If you look at lbs/hp that is 13.2 for the RX-8 vs. 13.5 for the FR-S. To the wealthy man $52K is "affordable."

ydooby

Why include hp in the equation? You're simply missing the point of the FT-86. The point about the FT-86 is its tossability, not straight line speeds. The heavier the car the less tossable it'll be. If you want hp just get a Mustang or Genesis. In many ways the RX-8 is the FT-86's most direct competitor, both being affordable small 2+2 RWD coupes, but with a ~300lbs advantage the FT-86 is bound to be more fun in the twisties while the RX-8 will most likely out-accelerate the FT-86 in the straight line. The bottom line is that the FT-86 will be the most fun for the buck among cars that can be practical enough to be one's only car.And to a poor man $25k is too expensive, so what's your point?

The average car selling price in the US is $28,400, so no, $52k is NOT affordable to the average Americans.

spwolf

what about torque? :-).

If they somehow manage base version to be 25k (not stripped one), it will be best deal in a long time... spend 5k extra on turbo and you have crazy street monster... add another 5k into suspension and brakes, and sky is the limit... all +20k less than similar and a lot slower Cayman.

ydooby

New FT-86 trailer. Pretty well done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JX9UNQt2gA

Kostamojen

I got goosebumps from that vid! Only 8 more days until the debut...

Kostamojen

flipside909

I cant believe they let those kids play with those scale models of the S800, 2000GT, the Celicas and the hachi! LOL

Justin2JZ

Thats totally jizz worthy. Cant wait for the debut.