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Originally Posted by MPLexus301
Look at the fitment on that door that covers the head unit - very upscale!!
It's not covering anything, the radio hasn't been installed in that car yet. Scion typically offers several radio choices and the customer decides what they want. They leave the factory without a radio installed, that's what is shown in that picture.

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At Cars & Coffee Irvine, the GReddy FR-S.
I want to say that is a CL member driving it?

This looks fantastic, now I want to see can I fit.
 
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Damn that looks good...

Ugh ... IS or FRS. Decisions decisions ... lol.

(90% sure I'm keeping the IS though .... )
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I want to say that is a CL member driving it?
I don't know, but did you really have to quote all of the pics? One pic of the car would have sufficed.

Here's a video of the GReddy FR-S at C&C:

http://youtu.be/QhVPdJUtrLI
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Wow it sounds very nice.
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Exhaust note is impressive though I was expecting a deeper, more throaty tone but I'm satisfied
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Scion FR-S Manager ‘Hoping’ to Deliver New FR-S Variants On Yearly Basis
During this week’s media drive of the 2013 Scion FR-S at Sodegaura Forest Raceway in Japan, FR-S project manager Yoshinori Sasaki mentioned that his team has big plans when it comes to delivering variants of the soon-to-be-released Toyota/Scion sports coupe.

“We are hoping to release one new variant per year,” Sasaki-san said. Should Toyota’s planning teams consider this viable, the updated versions could hit the market “sometime next year.” He then joked: “Hopefully, for the next ten years!”

According to Toyota global communications spokesman Akifumi Yonezawa, such zealous goals “are based on the planning team’s passion that they want FR-S to be loved over the long term by customers. [They believe] that sports cars should be improved continuously for keeping its outstanding performance and fame.

For a better idea of what this entails, just consider Nissan’s Kazutoshi Mizuno, lead engineer for the GT-R, who has attempted to better his super car’s performance, efficiency, and usability every year.

Admittedly, the future of these revised FR-S versions hitting world markets “all depends on demand and sales,” Sasaki-san said. Quite simply, they won’t be made if there is no interest. Given the car’s performance and packaging potential, we’re pretty sure demand won’t be a problem, at least initially.

When asked if any of Toyota’s impeding versions — including a speculated supercharged model as revealed by lead engineer Tetsuya Tada — will rival the rumored higher-output Subaru BRZ STI that’s supposedly being crafted by Subaru Tecnica International (STI), the engineer smiled, nodded, and responded vaguely, “We will keep up.”

So, just how different will other 86/GT 86/FR-S variants be?

“Some will have Toyota performance parts from, say, TRD (Toyota Racing Development) — suspension, tires, wheels, etc. Others will be very different from that.”

Given that Subaru has made its performance intentions clearly known with the BRZ STI Concept at this year’s 2011 Los Angeles Auto Show, and that a company insider revealed there is a turbocharged FA20 mill in the pipeline, it makes sense for Toyota to pursue its individual avenues of performance and style. Granted, it’s still unclear whether any of these variants will head to North America, so don’t hold your breath for that 300-horse FR-S or luxury-focused Modellista just yet.

Regardless of which badge is pasted to its hood, it’s safe to say we can’t wait to see what’s in store for this impressive coupe.
First Drive > 2013 Scion FR-S
Accomplished Sports Coupe Rekindles Hope For Scion

When it comes to wringing out a performance car, nothing beats track time. Public roads are crowded, chock full of regulations and policed. Race circuits are lawless expanses of curvy asphalt with just one golden rule: Keep it on the pavement.

Under invitation from Scion, we loaded into a widebody 777 for the long trek across the Pacific Ocean to Japan. Our objective was to drive the automaker's highly anticipated, all-new FR-S sports car. Upon arrival, we were pleased to learn that Scion had rented Sodegaura Forest Raceway for our full day behind the wheel.

After dozens of laps at unrestricted speed – few have been offered as much track time – we answered many of our own nagging questions. Does Scion's new rear-wheel-drive coupe deliver all that it promises? How is the power delivery from the naturally aspirated flat-four engine, and is it sufficient? Is the handling balanced and the chassis up to the task? Most importantly, why would someone choose the Scion FR-S over its clone, the Subaru BRZ?

The story of the FR-S actually started back in 2007, when Toyota Motor Corporation (owner of the Scion brand) called up Fuji Heavy Industries (owner of the Subaru brand) and suggested that the two make a sports car – Toyota owns nearly 17 percent of Fuji, so the request wasn't out of line. Toyota's plan was to design a FR (front-engine rear-wheel drive) coupe with a naturally aspirated powerplant that did not rely on wide sticky tires for handling prowess. Subaru, well-known purveyor of all-wheel-drive cars, rejected it. Undeterred, Toyota pushed forward and built a proof-of-concept vehicle. Subaru was impressed by the prototype after observing its performance, and a joint program was pushed into motion.

According to the master agreement, Toyota was in charge of all program planning. Fuji would take the lead role on development while Toyota would be in charge of styling. The manufacturing would be a joint effort by both Japanese automakers. When the project was complete, Toyota (Scion) and Fuji (Subaru) would both have a new lightweight FR sports car in their showrooms – each slightly tweaked for its specific market and target customer. Asians/Europeans would get the Toyota GT 86, while the North American market would receive the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ.

Fast-forward several years, and through a mountain of details and headaches, and we find ourselves at Sodegaura Forest Raceway, located about 20 miles southeast of Tokyo, Japan. Parked in the paddock are four working prototypes: one blue, two silver and the last swathed in eye-catching camouflage decals.

The vibrantly swirled coupe is an early European specification, left-hand-drive Toyota GT 86 development car, with a six-speed manual transmission (it has reportedly spent development time on Germany's famed Nürburgring circuit). The dark blue coupe is a Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) Toyota 86, right-hand drive, with a six-speed manual transmission. One of the silver cars is a JDM Toyota 86 with a six-speed automatic transmission, while the other silver two-door is the subject of this review – a North American specification Scion FR-S with a six-speed manual gearbox.

This isn't the first time we have put the 86/BRZ/FR-S through its paces. Our own Jonathan Ramsey drove the Subaru BRZ at the automaker's Test and Development Center in Tochigi prefecture just the other day. Since his report is more detailed than the Woodward and Bernstein Watergate Papers, we won't bore you with rehashing all his details – instead, we will refresh your memory with the CliffsNotes version.

The platform is a two-plus-two coupe, with rear seats that fold flat to accommodate larger items loaded through the rear trunk. Overall height is 51.2 inches, length is 166.7 inches, width is 69.9 inches and the wheelbase is 101.2 inches. Not only is the package more than a foot shorter than the Hyundai Genesis Coupe (the first FR two-door that comes to our mind) the Scion FR-S is smaller than a Honda Civic Coupe in every dimension.

A low center of gravity, crucial to optimize handling, was a priority. With that in mind, the obvious powerplant choice was one of Subaru's flat-four engines. A newly developed all-aluminum 2.0-liter, fitted with Toyota's D-4S direct injection, was selected – it is said to be the world's first application of a boxer engine in a FR configuration platform. Preliminary specifications rate it at 200 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 151 pound-feet of torque at 6,600 rpm while burning premium unleaded fuel.

The FR-S is offered with a choice of six-speed transmissions, both built by Aisin. The manual gearbox is a short-throw unit with Reverse to the left of first gear, accessed only after lifting a collar on the shift lever. The automatic transmission is a modified version of the eight-speed gearbox used on the Lexus IS F, minus two cogs. It is a traditional wet torque converter design, but its software has been engineered to mimic the response of a dual-clutch gearbox. Its three electronic modes (Normal, Sport and Snow) are controlled via a switch on the center console. For improved manual control, there are also F1-patterned paddles mounted on the steering wheel, while a limited-slip differential is standard on the rear-wheel drive coupe, regardless of transmission choice.

In the front of the coupe is a MacPherson strut suspension, while a double-wishbone is utilized in the rear. Brakes are all ventilated discs, with two-piston sliding calipers up front and single-piston sliding calipers on the drive axle. The standard wheel package includes 17-inch alloys wrapped in 215/45R-17 tires (our test cars were wearing Michelin Primacy HP tires, treadwear rating 240 A A, with a speed rating of 168 mph).

Sodegaura Forest Raceway is a rather small track. The circuit is club-oriented, only 2.4 kilometers long (just under 1.5 miles) with 10 corners and a 400-meter front straight (slightly longer than a quarter-mile in length). Despite the track's diminutive footprint, its challenging late apex and decreasing radius corners afforded an excellent venue to wring out the 2013 Scion FR-S. Plus, as an unexpected additional bonus, Mother Nature had provided its own obstacles – we had some rain.

The cabin of the FR-S isn't opulent, but it is a comfortable fit. The Recaro lookalike bucket seats are mounted low, and they offer plenty of torso-friendly bolstering and support. The cloth seats are manually adjustable for height, seatback rake and distance from the wheel, so we didn't have any problem getting comfortable. The no-nonsense steering wheel is a meaty three-spoke unit (we'd swear its shape was copied from a Porsche 911) adorned with one of the few Scion badges within the cockpit. A white-faced analog tachometer, with a 7,500 rpm redline, takes center stage in the primary instrument cluster. There is a 160-mph analog speedometer to its left and a coolant temperature and fuel level gauge to the right. All are easy to read. Mounted directly aside the shifter is a traditional lever-actuated parking brake, which yanks on a cable to seize the rear rotors – it is good to see, as these old-school handbrakes are rapidly going extinct.

To keep costs down, the Scion FR-S has manual heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) controls and a traditional key-based ignition slot on the right side of the steering column (the slightly more upscale Subaru BRZ has automatic climate control and push-button start/stop). None of our Toyota prototypes were fitted with an audio system.

We jumped into the silver Scion first and turned the key. The flat-four idled quietly, without an aggressive exhaust note. Only a slight vibration would alert anyone inside the cabin that it was even running. We blipped the throttle and the engine response was instantaneous. Running through the gears, the manual transmission had a mechanical throw making it feel very connected to the gearbox. We pressed the "VSC Sport" button on the center console, waited for the starter's green flag, then floored it.

Acceleration on to the racing circuit was brisk but not breathtaking – we estimate the FR-S will punch through the 60 mph benchmark in less than seven seconds – and abusively chirping the tires between the first few gears wasn't difficult. The pit entrance, located towards the end of the front straight, was followed by a near-perfect 90 degree right turn. We drifted left to position ourselves for entry, and then applied the brakes firmly. The pads bit hard and speed bled off effortlessly (the brakes were so good that we eventually questioned whether or not the calipers were loaded with street compound pads). With gentle inputs on the steering wheel, we tossed the Scion into the first corner. It held the line, perfectly balanced, with ease.

The next nine corners were much the same story. We'd line up our entry, glide across the apex and then predictably drift out the other side. Buried in the nose, the flat-four provided us with sufficient power to pull resolutely out of the corners and transfer weight on the chassis at will. Being perfectly candid, we didn't yearn for more horsepower or more torque. Thanks to a very low curb weight (estimated at about 2,700 pounds), a well-balanced chassis (53/47 percent front/rear) and a low center of gravity (besting the Porsche Cayman), the Scion was as obedient as a well-trained Border Collie.

We increased our speed, got overly aggressive with control inputs, sawed at the steering wheel, braked late and turned-in early. Despite every novice trick in the book, the Scion FR-S made us look like good drivers. We circled Sodegaura lap after lap, enjoying the coupe more and more each time.

After lunch, the cloudy gry skies opened up and rain started to fall. Within minutes, the track was a wet and slippery mess. We rolled up our windows, turned on the wipers and drove at eight-tenths. Again, in defiance of the greasy circuit, the Scion soldiered forth confidently. We drifted through the corners with ease (the stability control allows generous slip angles in Sport mode), splashing up rooster tails in our wake. With only the slightest bit of understeer, calmly erased with some throttle input, the Scion FR-S is one of the easiest and most forgiving vehicles we have ever driven on the track.

We probed the Scion engineers, as it was our intention to elicit a confession about the mechanical differences between the Suburu BRZ and the FR-S. With carefully chosen words, they pointed out the aforementioned equipment premiums in the Subaru (of course, it is expected to be slightly more expensive). In addition, they hinted that the Scion was tuned more for sport, while the Subaru was tuned more for ride compliance. Does that mean the BRZ is slightly softer? We will have to drive both back-to-back to evaluate.

Later in the afternoon, we took the FR-S with the automatic transmission out for a dozen laps. Hardly ever pleased with the eight-speed automatic gearbox in the Lexus IS F – it hunts for its gears far too often – this new six-speed variant intrigued us. With the transmission and stability control in "Sport" mode, we again hit the track. Unlike a dual-clutch gearbox, ripping off lightning-fast shifts, the wet torque converter six speed automatic is a bit more lethargic moving between its gears, with or without the manual paddles. It felt slightly slower than the manual transmission in comparison (it also held the gears until near the 7,500 rpm redline, while we'd shift the manual gearbox at 6,500 rpm when the power dropped off).

Yet that was the automatic transmission's only compromise, as its shift logic on the track was phenomenal. It automatically downshifted several gears under braking, blipping the throttle each time, and it held the gears through the corners as to not unsettle the chassis. We honestly couldn't find its flaw when it was being flogged. And, by the end of the day, we were partly convinced that it may actually be quicker on the track than the manual transmission.

The Scion FR-S is very good, but we immediately found room for improvement. We applaud the square tire setup (all four are the identical size), but the stock fitment of 215/45R-17 tires is simply too narrow. We would like a bit wider rubber under each corner, as it was a loss of grip between the tires and the pavement – not the suspension tuning or chassis balance – that prevented us from going more quickly. In addition, the exhaust note needs to be more threatening to passer-bys and more audible from inside the cabin. The most prevalent sound right now is from the engine's throaty intake, as heard through the firewall.

Our day on the Japanese race circuit convinced us that the 2013 Scion FR-S will be an aggressively priced gift to North American automotive enthusiasts when it arrives in late spring 2012 (pricing has yet to be announced, but expect a $25,000 ballpark). The 200-horsepower coupe is obviously far from the fastest or quickest car we have ever driven, and we still haven't discovered how it will handle a daily commute on public roads, but what we do know is that it is more engaging to drive than the Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic Si and Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

The allure of Scion's rear-wheel-drive coupe isn't power or speed, but balance. The compact and lightweight two-door is a well-composed harmony of horsepower, gearbox, chassis balance, steering and suspension. Is the FR-S one of next year's enthusiast bargains? Absolutely, and that is a conclusion we consider irrefutable.

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so basically it is just a matter of time until turbo factory option shows up - it will be done for new STI for 2013 MY.
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Originally Posted by Motor

At Cars & Coffee Irvine, the GReddy FR-S.

MY PICTURES!!! GRRRRGH... credit where due yo! LOL!
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I want to say that is a CL member driving it?

This looks fantastic, now I want to see can I fit.
Yes That would be me.

OK the Greddy one is covered in leather and fancy blue accents, but it is over the same OEM factory BRZ/FRS seats.
I am 5-10 with 49cm from shoulder to shoulder, and 135lbs, 30 waist.

The FRS seats fit excellent, with my thighs holding light on the bottom side bolster, and shoulders snug fit on the shoulder blades.
With the contortions built into the seat shape, I assume slightly larger person will fit well. And shorter person will also be OK in the seat.
When the seat is adjusted to comfortable racing stance with steering under my wrist post at full extension, at 12'oclock and pedals depressed leaving slight bend in my knee, the seat is at a comfortable recline, and dropping my palm naturally down, ends up right on the shift lever in neutral, where it should. Side brake was a bit far back by about 2" for me, hence taller drivers with seat back slightly more, may fit that position well. Shorter person might have to reach back just a tad if you are a e-brake user in track (sometimes in drifting or gymkhana).

Pedal layout is spot in for anyone used to a race prepped AE86 with low seating, and akin to positioning of the NSX, along with very familiar stroke and clutch engagement position and feel for previous Toyota manual cars. I can see Tada san had done a lot of research to come up with a position that is so familiar to modified Ae86 users and akin to more modern cars like MRS and Miata.

The seat hip point is VERY low. The 40mm hipbone position claim is no joke. It's as ornate and epic an event to hunker down and stick your butt in, then swing the legs over the sills. In this ritual, you totally feel like this is a start of an engagement to the classic sport car cockpit. Once all comfortable, situated and all controls in familiar place, you look forward and one realizes the immediate view that is much lower than any other car in this class. If you have ever sat in the Lexus LFA, the forward view is totally reminiscent of LFA. With similar rake of the glass, and the sub-window that is separated by the post aft of the mirror, and cluster dead ahead, 10 degree down. Really puts you in the mood there. Also, because of the low seating, the car despite of being very low profile on height, leaves lots of space for head room, I feel it almost as much as a ZZT230 Celica above my head. No issue with helmet. (probably another reason besides the overhanging tall weight, this room was critical for helmet use, and hence lack of sliding sunroof in any model.)

With the seat moved about 4 inch from where I was comfy, forward, I can actually sit in the seat behind it. It's not a really roomy proposition, but unlike that of a 350Z or a Porsche 911, I can actually sit there for a short lunch haul or drop off run. The seat-back isn't contoured for people well back there, but according to Tada, the seat in the rear was just a bonus from aiming to design a flat cargo space when folded, that can carry 4 spares and tool box, a pair of helmets for track day, and that it seems to be just enough, and possibly more useful than otherwise if the seat was more luxurious and impeded floor space. So I approve this too.

The hatchback was not in the plans as having a frame and large glass upsets handling. And simple trunk lid with pass-though to rear cabin was the route and excellent compromise for this being bred for track day attendees.

I hope this described some elements of interior, where a car owner will spend 1000X more time than looking at it from the outside. Its quite the nice interior for any car in this price, I must say.
I just hope that the Higher End stuff from Japan's 86 will make it here such as Auto AC panel with fancy digital display and dual zone, as well as Start button, and other toys for those who prefer them at a few lbs of weight. We all need the choices and that's where Scion's mono-spec tradition may be in need to change a bit. I say this because I have witnessed at the Cars & Coffee, what I would hoped. That is this car really DOES appeal to many generation and many types of car fanatics. Traditional Scion folks of course, but classic Toyota sports car fans like me, and hot rodders and exotic car owners, seemed to be attracted and even expressed much deeper appreciation for the layout, design, maintenance elements under the hood, and overall focus of the car. AS such, we will be dealing with MANY more types of owners than just traditional Scion target. I hope everyone's wishes in the car will be met with wide range of choices and price points which this car can come.

Bottom line is the more people buy it for whatever reasons, all income levels and sex, the more they will make and sell, and the more aftermarket support there shall be. And that equates to long life of enthusiasm, availability, in used car markets, and reasons for Toyota to keep refining it for the future.

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Here I present two photos, perhaps you can get a reference of how tall the two vehicles are with me taking these shots within 48 hours of each other by chance.
You can immediately notice that the two car's front windows are similar in rake and angles, and that they are similar in height, but the FRS being diminutive in length and width in comparison to the LFA

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moto_club4ag/6502678481/http://www.flickr.com/photos/moto_club4ag/6502678481/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/moto_club4ag/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moto_club4ag/6498947175/http://www.flickr.com/photos/moto_club4ag/6498947175/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/moto_club4ag/, on Flickr

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Originally Posted by spwolf
so basically it is just a matter of time until turbo factory option shows up - it will be done for new STI for 2013 MY.
Do you know that for a fact?
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Originally Posted by spwolf
so basically it is just a matter of time until turbo factory option shows up - it will be done for new STI for 2013 MY.
Originally Posted by flipside909
Do you know that for a fact?
By chassis design and layout, it is completely feasible. However sources say, that there are NO plans at this time even in development stage.

The reason for this car was simple and direction from the stat was for NA, which is why extensive rework was made to the Subaru FB to become this 4D-S injected 12.5:1 compression, naturally aspirated, 86x86 bore and stroke (FA20) engine that spins like no previous Subaru EJ or FB.
Still, if there are big demands for the car in its initial stages, there may be incentives for future high HP engines, in a few years time. But this really depends on initial sales and goals being met.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong as I can appreciate a good car in any version and any HP rating.
I'm particularly fond of NA engines for my own background for Sunday racing, SCCA Nationals and Regional days in AE86, and even as producer and instructor to Drift Day events back in the days, and course testing official for D1 and Formula D in its early years.
Control is more important to me than HP, but at the same time, I do understand and will not argue that other folks just love sheer kick-in-the-pants straight line power, even at a cost of reduced track time from heating or expense and complexity.

We just need to BUY them, regardless so TOYOTA and SUBARU will see NUMBERs that equate to giving it enough worth for long-term support.
It's a GREAT car.

Come on folks, this time it's not a $385,000 LFA, its a car that some of us can put on finance for 5 years, and fit it in our daily lives. Do it!

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Originally Posted by motohide
Yes That would be me.

OK the Greddy one is covered in leather and fancy blue accents, but it is over the same OEM factory BRZ/FRS seats.
I am 5-10 with 49cm from shoulder to shoulder, and 135lbs, 30 waist.

The FRS seats fit excellent, with my thighs holding light on the bottom side bolster, and shoulders snug fit on the shoulder blades.
With the contortions built into the seat shape, I assume slightly larger person will fit well. And shorter person will also be OK in the seat.
When the seat is adjusted to comfortable racing stance with steering under my wrist post at full extension, at 12'oclock and pedals depressed leaving slight bend in my knee, the seat is at a comfortable recline, and dropping my palm naturally down, ends up right on the shift lever in neutral, where it should. Side brake was a bit far back by about 2" for me, hence taller drivers with seat back slightly more, may fit that position well. Shorter person might have to reach back just a tad if you are a e-brake user in track (sometimes in drifting or gymkhana).

Pedal layout is spot in for anyone used to a race prepped AE86 with low seating, and akin to positioning of the NSX, along with very familiar stroke and clutch engagement position and feel for previous Toyota manual cars. I can see Tada san had done a lot of research to come up with a position that is so familiar to modified Ae86 users and akin to more modern cars like MRS and Miata.

The seat hip point is VERY low. The 40mm hipbone position claim is no joke. It's as ornate and epic an event to hunker down and stick your butt in, then swing the legs over the sills. In this ritual, you totally feel like this is a start of an engagement to the classic sport car cockpit. Once all comfortable, situated and all controls in familiar place, you look forward and one realizes the immediate view that is much lower than any other car in this class. If you have ever sat in the Lexus LFA, the forward view is totally reminiscent of LFA. With similar rake of the glass, and the sub-window that is separated by the post aft of the mirror, and cluster dead ahead, 10 degree down. Really puts you in the mood there. Also, because of the low seating, the car despite of being very low profile on height, leaves lots of space for head room, I feel it almost as much as a ZZT230 Celica above my head. No issue with helmet. (probably another reason besides the overhanging tall weight, this room was critical for helmet use, and hence lack of sliding sunroof in any model.)

With the seat moved about 4 inch from where I was comfy, forward, I can actually sit in the seat behind it. It's not a really roomy proposition, but unlike that of a 350Z or a Porsche 911, I can actually sit there for a short lunch haul or drop off run. The seat-back isn't contoured for people well back there, but according to Tada, the seat in the rear was just a bonus from aiming to design a flat cargo space when folded, that can carry 4 spares and tool box, a pair of helmets for track day, and that it seems to be just enough, and possibly more useful than otherwise if the seat was more luxurious and impeded floor space. So I approve this too.

The hatchback was not in the plans as having a frame and large glass upsets handling. And simple trunk lid with pass-though to rear cabin was the route and excellent compromise for this being bred for track day attendees.

I hope this described some elements of interior, where a car owner will spend 1000X more time than looking at it from the outside. Its quite the nice interior for any car in this price, I must say.
I just hope that the Higher End stuff from Japan's 86 will make it here such as Auto AC panel with fancy digital display and dual zone, as well as Start button, and other toys for those who prefer them at a few lbs of weight. We all need the choices and that's where Scion's mono-spec tradition may be in need to change a bit. I say this because I have witnessed at the Cars & Coffee, what I would hoped. That is this car really DOES appeal to many generation and many types of car fanatics. Traditional Scion folks of course, but classic Toyota sports car fans like me, and hot rodders and exotic car owners, seemed to be attracted and even expressed much deeper appreciation for the layout, design, maintenance elements under the hood, and overall focus of the car. AS such, we will be dealing with MANY more types of owners than just traditional Scion target. I hope everyone's wishes in the car will be met with wide range of choices and price points which this car can come.

Bottom line is the more people buy it for whatever reasons, all income levels and sex, the more they will make and sell, and the more aftermarket support there shall be. And that equates to long life of enthusiasm, availability, in used car markets, and reasons for Toyota to keep refining it for the future.

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Here I present two photos, perhaps you can get a reference of how tall the two vehicles are with me taking these shots within 48 hours of each other by chance.
You can immediately notice that the two car's front windows are similar in rake and angles, and that they are similar in height, but the FRS being diminutive in length and width in comparison to the LFA


2011_12_6-20-30 by Moto@Club4AG, on Flickr


2011_12_6-20-63 by Moto@Club4AG, on Flickr
I thought that was you! Awesome!

Great write-up, have sat in the LFA so that is a great description!
 
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I thought that was you! Awesome!

Great write-up, have sat in the LFA so that is a great description!
Why thanks, I thought to share it as I had the honors of being the SECOND ever to drive a modded FRS. (ok for no more than half a block as they allowed me, but enough to report this much... hence I have no review yet of the dynamic capability first hand, yet) First was the famous journalist, Mark Voghn of AUTOWEEK who did get to drive it 14 of the 23 miles on this car's ODO. 9 previous miles in Japan by builders who hand assembled these two Scion MFG plate cars for Pre-Production presentation.
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