spwolf

35 mpg certainly not disappointing in sports car.

they could have made it more efficient, it wouldnt have been sports car anymore.

4TehNguyen

iTrader: (1)

im not seeing how 35mpg from this car is disappointing. Did people expect 40mpg from a 2.0 sportscar engine? To achieve higher mileage they would have to do things like nerf the throttle response etc which goes opposite of what this car is suppose to do

LexFather

Considering a much heavier 300hp V-6 Camaro gets 29 or 30 MPG highway, yeah its not great. The 34 MPG rating though is fantastic for the automatic only 3 MPG less than a 1.5 liter hybrid CR-Z.

Also didn't realize Scion offers 2 year/25k maintenance which helps add more value to the car.

Overall I hope this flies off shelves, all the triplets.

spwolf

6MT
1st gear - 3.626
2nd gear - 2.188
3rd gear - 1.541
4th gear - 1.213
5th gear - 1.000
6th gear - 0.767
Reverse - 3.437
Final gear ratio - 3.727 (cheaper model) / 4.100 (upper trim)

6AT
1st gear - 3.538
2nd gear - 2.060
3rd gear - 1.404
4th gear - 1.000
5th gear - 0.713
6th gear - 0.582
Reverse - 3.168
Final gear ratio - 4.100


It is all in the gearing, manual is meant for the track and hence short gears that should work well there... AT is for regular people.

jadu

iTrader: (42)

^^^ thanks for elaborating on that.


the mpg is good enough. I'd be happy with that mpg actually

jwong77

Yes, for those of us looking for a car to drive at the track on weekends, the MPG isn't a big deal.

Fizzboy7

Where are you guys getting the 35 mpg number? Yesterday Autoblog reported 22/30 for the manual model and 25/34 for the automatic. If it does get 35, then that is more than enough.

LexFather

34/35 same thing...remember some people will get maybe 38/39 on the highway and others 32/33, it all depends on the car and driving conditions.

pbm317

Any thoughts on pricing? FR-S Forum has a ton of people feeling it's 2-3K too high..

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

I guess we need to see what comes standard, but IMO, $25k is a tad too high for what you're getting. That said, I'd be inclined to go with the Subaru anyway...

spwolf

Subaru will be substantially more expensive due to more equipment.

Scion has good equipment, everything you need. $25k is high because everyone talked about it as $20k car for a while. When you compare it to Miata, it is actually cheaper and faster.

ST430

That pricing is incorrect. I just got the email from SCION now.

It is $24,930 MSRP for the 6M. Which makes the Auto around $26k. Quite a bit higher than i expected....

http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/2...07/2923861121/

spwolf

your pricing is with delivery fees included... $730 for Scion. Both are correct.

ST430

Thanks...

FWIW - I tried to bypass the "delivery fees" one time since I live by the now defunct NUMMI plant. No way to circumvent it and so i think it's stupid to cite a "base" price without it..

LexFather

When does it arrive? Want to drive it badly.