Toyota/Subaru/Scion Lightweight Sports Car: Toyota GT86, Subaru BRZ, Scion FRS!
03-22-12 | 09:32 PM
#2146
Drove the Subaru BRZ pre-production model at my old dealer the other day, drives surprising nice, corners and handles really well. But that model came with the nav and higher end options, so it would've been 30k+ which i think is way too much for the car, especially if it's non-turbo, add on a few more thousands and you could just get a STI
03-22-12 | 10:12 PM
#2147
03-22-12 | 10:23 PM
#2148
Racer
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Drove the Subaru BRZ pre-production model at my old dealer the other day, drives surprising nice, corners and handles really well. But that model came with the nav and higher end options, so it would've been 30k+ which i think is way too much for the car, especially if it's non-turbo, add on a few more thousands and you could just get a STI
03-23-12 | 01:48 AM
#2149
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it is more comparable with Miata Touring, which is actually $28k for AT, 27k for Manual if I remember right.
03-23-12 | 04:32 AM
#2150
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This will inevitably get compared, so might as well do it now:
Scion FR-S vs.
Huyndai Genesis Coupe
Price:
FR-S: $24930
GC: $25125
Power:
FR-S: 200hp
GC: 274hp
Weight:
FR-S: 2667
GC: 3362
Power/Weight Ratio:
FR-S: .075 hp/lb
GC: .081 hp/lb
MPG:
FR-S: 22/30 (MT), 25/34 (AT)
GC: 21/30 (MT), 20/31 (AT)
Very comparable spec/price wise. The GC will invariably win a straight line drag race, but it will be interesting to see how they do at the track. I would assume the typical comparos against the FR-S will be the Miata, the GC, and a Mustang(!) maybe? Kind of odd selection all around, but that's what i woud expect to see in the mags soon....
Scion FR-S vs.
Huyndai Genesis Coupe
Price:
FR-S: $24930
GC: $25125
Power:
FR-S: 200hp
GC: 274hp
Weight:
FR-S: 2667
GC: 3362
Power/Weight Ratio:
FR-S: .075 hp/lb
GC: .081 hp/lb
MPG:
FR-S: 22/30 (MT), 25/34 (AT)
GC: 21/30 (MT), 20/31 (AT)
Very comparable spec/price wise. The GC will invariably win a straight line drag race, but it will be interesting to see how they do at the track. I would assume the typical comparos against the FR-S will be the Miata, the GC, and a Mustang(!) maybe? Kind of odd selection all around, but that's what i woud expect to see in the mags soon....
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03-23-12 | 08:53 AM
#2153
Lexus Champion
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This will inevitably get compared, so might as well do it now:
Scion FR-S vs.
Huyndai Genesis Coupe
Price:
FR-S: $24930
GC: $25125
Power:
FR-S: 200hp
GC: 274hp
Weight:
FR-S: 2667
GC: 3362
Power/Weight Ratio:
FR-S: .075 hp/lb
GC: .081 hp/lb
MPG:
FR-S: 22/30
GC: 21/30
Very comparable spec/price wise. The GC will invariably win a straight line drag race, but it will be interesting to see how they do at the track. I would assume the typical comparos against the FR-S will be the Miata, the GC, and a Mustang(!) maybe? Kind of odd selection all around, but that's what i woud expect to see in the mags soon....
Scion FR-S vs.
Huyndai Genesis Coupe
Price:
FR-S: $24930
GC: $25125
Power:
FR-S: 200hp
GC: 274hp
Weight:
FR-S: 2667
GC: 3362
Power/Weight Ratio:
FR-S: .075 hp/lb
GC: .081 hp/lb
MPG:
FR-S: 22/30
GC: 21/30
Very comparable spec/price wise. The GC will invariably win a straight line drag race, but it will be interesting to see how they do at the track. I would assume the typical comparos against the FR-S will be the Miata, the GC, and a Mustang(!) maybe? Kind of odd selection all around, but that's what i woud expect to see in the mags soon....
also vastly different driving experience... i think FR-S will win any mag comparo easily.
03-23-12 | 12:18 PM
#2155
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http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html
Full track test is out:
0-60 - 7.0s with 1 foot rollout
skidpad - 0.92g
slalom - 69.1 mph (!).
before everyone goes bonkers of 0-60, 2nd gear tops out at 59.1 mph... it is so typical of Japanese NOT to build car for the tests but for the drivers.
Full track test is out:
0-60 - 7.0s with 1 foot rollout
skidpad - 0.92g
slalom - 69.1 mph (!).
before everyone goes bonkers of 0-60, 2nd gear tops out at 59.1 mph... it is so typical of Japanese NOT to build car for the tests but for the drivers.
03-23-12 | 01:51 PM
#2156
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From: CA
MotorTrend's BRZ test:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ed_first_test/
0-60mph: 6.4 sec
1/4-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph
lateral acceleration: 0.90g
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ed_first_test/
0-60mph: 6.4 sec
1/4-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph
lateral acceleration: 0.90g
03-23-12 | 08:44 PM
#2157
Lexus Test Driver
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From: California
Getting a lot of varied tests numbers for the 0-60 times. If it's under 7, I'd say that's commendable. Over 7 and it's not going to stand out much. Same with the mpg rating, price, and styling (the last is subjective of course).
So far, everything seems to be in the middle except for maybe the handling. I was expecting better.
So far, everything seems to be in the middle except for maybe the handling. I was expecting better.
03-24-12 | 07:33 AM
#2158
put some wider and summer tires on it, im sure it will improve a lot over the prius tires it has.
In fact, around our figure-eight course, test director Kim Reynolds preferred the BRZ's character and 0.90 g of lateral accel (Subaru admits the standard Michelin Primacy HPs are "moderate grip" tires) to a certain mid-engine Brit that costs roughly tenfold. (Hint: It's in this issue.)
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03-24-12 | 08:09 AM
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Getting a lot of varied tests numbers for the 0-60 times. If it's under 7, I'd say that's commendable. Over 7 and it's not going to stand out much. Same with the mpg rating, price, and styling (the last is subjective of course).
So far, everything seems to be in the middle except for maybe the handling. I was expecting better.
So far, everything seems to be in the middle except for maybe the handling. I was expecting better.
You certainly wont race anyone to 60 mph, but shorter gears will matter a lot on the actual autox course.
as to the mpg, it is laughably funny.
Lets see what Inside Line had to say about Mustang V6 MPG:
Of course, you'll get nowhere near that kind of fuel economy if you're using the V6 up near its 7,000-rpm redline all the time. In fact, during our two weeks with this very blue Mustang, we averaged just 20.7 mpg, which ain't bad, but it ain't gonna pass any Priuses at the pump. At least it runs on cheaper 87 octane regular. We should also mention that we averaged about 26 mpg on pure highway runs.
Backing up that engine in our test car is a new six-speed Getrag manual and the optional 3.31 rear axle ratio (a 2.73 is standard). To get anywhere near 30 mpg with this car, you're going to have to spend most of your driving time up in 6th gear, traveling downhill with a tailwind at speeds below 70 mph. And don't even think about touching the throttle pedal.
Backing up that engine in our test car is a new six-speed Getrag manual and the optional 3.31 rear axle ratio (a 2.73 is standard). To get anywhere near 30 mpg with this car, you're going to have to spend most of your driving time up in 6th gear, traveling downhill with a tailwind at speeds below 70 mph. And don't even think about touching the throttle pedal.
Bottom line: This is not a high-performance muscle car that's going to give you 29 mpg. If you want *****-out performance, pop for the 412-hp 5.0 V8 in the Mustang GT. And the V6's 18 mpg in the city? Sorry, guys. The way readers of this Web site drive, it just ain't gonna happen. Not in the real world, anyway. We averaged 14 mpg driving this Mustang around Los Angeles with gumption.
Ignoring the BRZ's entirely modest arrangement of parts, the car is a stunning experience. Considering them, it's a machine you need to drive in its element to fully appreciate. When it comes to purity of purpose, you'll be hard-pressed to find a car that delivers this much speed and involvement under $50,000 — Mitsubishi's Evo X being one possible exception. Repeat this kind of driving in an Evo, though, and you'll be buying tires and brake pads at double this rate.
03-27-12 | 01:02 PM
#2160
This is what the Toyota GT 86 sounds like with a TRD exhaust
This is what the Toyota GT 86 sounds like with a TRD exhaust
One of the inevitable pleasures of owning a vehicle like the Subaru BRZ or Toyota GT 86 (better known as the Scion FR-S on this side of the globe), is the level of go-faster, look-faster and sound-faster parts served up by any number of willing companies. Whether its from a factory-backed performance group or another reputable company, bolting on a slew of goodies is one of the easiest ways to personalize your ride. Toyota Racing Development has evidently wasted no time in coming up with a few special components for the GT 86, including a free-flowing exhaust, fully adjustable suspension and a monoblock caliper kit. TRD recently slathered those parts onto a GT 86 in Japan and let a few lucky souls behind the wheel.
Fortunately for us, Carnifty was on hand with a camera to capture the vehicle in action. While the shaky-hand cam business indoors does little to convey how the coupe handles, the video does give us a good idea of what the 2.0-liter four-cylinder will sound like with an easy-breathing exhaust
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=HWcHJ_nr2Zs
Source:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/27/t...a-trd-exhaust/