Toyota/Subaru/Scion Lightweight Sports Car: Toyota GT86, Subaru BRZ, Scion FRS!
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I know the engine is in the wrong place and it has a "back seat", but does the BRZ/GT-86 remind anybody else of this car made about 25 years ago . . . .
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Really this is the spiritual predecessor to the GT-86, not the rear drive AE-86 Corolla. It was a purpose built sports car, designed to be affordable, not a lot of hp. The AE-86 was kind of a hot rod version of a basic econo-box. Call me crazy, but I'd rather have a worked over t-top 1st gen MR2 over the new BRZ/GT-86, if we are talking just a fun toy car.
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Really this is the spiritual predecessor to the GT-86, not the rear drive AE-86 Corolla. It was a purpose built sports car, designed to be affordable, not a lot of hp. The AE-86 was kind of a hot rod version of a basic econo-box. Call me crazy, but I'd rather have a worked over t-top 1st gen MR2 over the new BRZ/GT-86, if we are talking just a fun toy car.
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I would be more than happy with a 50 hp boost, but that is insane Boxer-4 1997 cc engine with turbo, turning out +450 hp. That baby can eat up some exotics.
I just wonder how much that setup costs though?
I just wonder how much that setup costs though?
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Toyota 86 most likely to get more power through more displacement?
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The Sydney Morning Herald has spoken to Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer of the Toyota 86 (our version of it, the Scion FR-S, is pictured above), and they've been promised that more power is on the way. We've heard a lot of speculation about a more powerful Toyobaru since before the standard model was even launched. The only question now is how the power will be delivered, and among the engine concepts we've already heard about – turbo, supercharger, twin-charged, hybrid – is a new one: more displacement.
Tada said that an engine with more displacement than the current coupe's 2.0 liters is being tested alongside a turbocharged and a hybrid-assisted motor. The SMH cites "inside sources" as saying the displacement option is the one likely to get the go-ahead, and suggests increased bore and stroke will see the engine grow to 2.5 liters, horsepower to about 250 – a 50-hp increase over the present car.
While that's apparently the betting man's solution for the long-awaited increase in gumption, what happens with the next generation could be more wide open than we suspected. According to the report, Tada "hinted that [a successor] could be a radically different car, potentially dropping the boxer engine altogether." He said once they've sorted out the concept for the second generation car, then they'll sort out an engine. That's where a turbo option could come to market, perhaps the turbocharged four-cylinder Toyota is developing for the Lexus NX crossover or a hybrid system that uses a capacitor.
This leaves us wondering what, if anything, will happen with the (presumed) next generation of the Subaru BRZ. But for now, the cavalry – more horses – is on the way for the current generation, one way or another.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/21/t...e-displacemen/
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Toyota GT86 convertible on 'indefinite hold'
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Bad news, sportscar fans. According to a new report from What Car?, Toyota has cancelled plans to produce a GT86 convertible, a model based on the FT-86 Open Concept that debuted at the 2013 Geneva Motor Show. In truth, Toyota never actually confirmed it would produce the budget-friendly droptop in the first place, but rumors have been flying since last year and Toyota reportedly showed its embattled Scion dealers a FR-S version of the convertible in August. Presumably, this means that a lidless variant of the Subaru BRZ is not in the cards, either.
The reason for the move is unknown, though What Car? reports "one possible cause is weight; Toyota did say that further work would be required on rigidity before the convertible could be launched, and that could have added extra bulk that conflict with the regular GT86's ethos of light weight and agile handling." It doesn't look like that work will happen anytime soon, as "sources now say that the car has now been delayed indefinitely, with no place in Toyota's product plan in either 2014 or 2015." Still holding out hope? What Car? says the project could be "fast-tracked" if management decides it wants to reboot the program down the road.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/05/t...definite-hold/
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probably bogus... head engineer already said that GT86 was engineer to be convertible from the start and scion dealers were told convertible is coming... as usual, UK press is lol.
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Pass forward 4 yrs, I am a proud new owner of the BRZ limited 6sp.
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I've own many cars in the past and only these 3 bring out the kid in me...
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