2008 Tahoe and Yukon Hybrid SUVs to be rated at 21/22 using 2008 EPA ratings
10-01-07 | 12:07 PM
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To me that doesn't make much sense since most performance reports on the LS600h have shown it doesn't accelerate any more quickly than the LS460, and the GS450h doesn't out-perform the GS430 by very much, and probably won't outperform that GS460 at all.
I think the "F" line is meant to be about performance. The "h" line seems like it is meant to improve fuel economy without hurting performance and possibly helping it a bit, even. At least that's the net effect I've observed so far.
I think the "F" line is meant to be about performance. The "h" line seems like it is meant to improve fuel economy without hurting performance and possibly helping it a bit, even. At least that's the net effect I've observed so far.
That makes a lot of sense.
GS450h is a lot faster car than GS430. 0-60 is only but one factor of performance. In gear acceleration of GS450h is considerably better than in GS430. Same should be true for LS460 vs LS600h.
10-01-07 | 12:18 PM
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So at the end:
Toyota HSD in SUV:
63% better city MPG
9.2% better highway MPG
GM hybrid SUV:
42% better city MPG
same or worse (Tahoe gets 5% worse consumption on highway).
oops? BUT it gets better city mpg than CAMRY!
Toyota HSD in SUV:
63% better city MPG
9.2% better highway MPG
GM hybrid SUV:
42% better city MPG
same or worse (Tahoe gets 5% worse consumption on highway).
oops? BUT it gets better city mpg than CAMRY!
10-01-07 | 12:27 PM
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When you look at the performance and mpg "improvements" of the LS when going from ICE to hybrid, and then look at the same for the Yukon, it is hard not to be disappointed with what Lexus has done.
Just why is it that we don't have a large SUV hybrid from Lexus yet, nor even a rumor of one appearing in the next year or two?
10-01-07 | 12:32 PM
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I only wish that we had a large SUV from Lexus to compare the Yukon to. We don't. So the comparison is of Lexus' heaviest hybrid to GM's heaviest hybrid.
When you look at the performance and mpg "improvements" of the LS when going from ICE to hybrid, and then look at the same for the Yukon, it is hard not to be disappointed with what Lexus has done.
Just why is it that we don't have a large SUV hybrid from Lexus yet, nor even a rumor of one appearing in the next year or two?
When you look at the performance and mpg "improvements" of the LS when going from ICE to hybrid, and then look at the same for the Yukon, it is hard not to be disappointed with what Lexus has done.
Just why is it that we don't have a large SUV hybrid from Lexus yet, nor even a rumor of one appearing in the next year or two?
Obviously you dont want to compare Toyota SUV to Chevy SUV, but rather to luxury sedan.
It is obvious which one benefits more - Toyota HSD. System running in over million vehicles on the road today.
sucks to dislike Toyota these days, I know... sorry.
10-01-07 | 12:32 PM
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Sigh. Again, please check facts before stating them.The 2008 Tahoe 2WD gets 14/20. The 2008 Tahoe 2WD Hybrid gets 21/22.
That's a 50% improvement in city mileage and a 10% improvement in highway mileage.
10-01-07 | 12:36 PM
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In fact mine is a two Lexus family.
If you take off the rose-colored glasses and look at the available evidence, you have to wonder if HSD might work better in light to medium vehicles (up to RX and GS) than in heavy vehicles (LS). Perhaps that's why there isn't a LX hybrid now, or on the immediate horizon?
If you take off the rose-colored glasses and look at the available evidence, you have to wonder if HSD might work better in light to medium vehicles (up to RX and GS) than in heavy vehicles (LS). Perhaps that's why there isn't a LX hybrid now, or on the immediate horizon?
10-01-07 | 12:37 PM
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we are comparing it to AWD version, since HH is AWD... check again and compare... thanks.
10-01-07 | 12:38 PM
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In fact mine is a two Lexus family.
If you take off the rose-colored glasses and look at the available evidence, you have to wonder if HSD might work better in light to medium vehicles (up to RX and GS) than in heavy vehicles (LS). Perhaps that's why there isn't a LX hybrid now, or on the immediate horizon?
If you take off the rose-colored glasses and look at the available evidence, you have to wonder if HSD might work better in light to medium vehicles (up to RX and GS) than in heavy vehicles (LS). Perhaps that's why there isn't a LX hybrid now, or on the immediate horizon?
What are you talking about?
We have HH - SUV that is 10-15% smaller than Tahoe, but otherwise same type of car.
Why are you comparing it to LS? Makes no sense. Are you comparing Prius to LS? Since it is much better comparisment.
10-01-07 | 12:40 PM
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5.3 gets better mpg than 4.8
:-).
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10-01-07 | 12:50 PM
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As carguy101 put it "Sigh. Again, please check facts before stating them."
LS460L 4332 lb
Highlander 2WD 3979 lb
For the third time (at least) in this thread: I'm comparing what Lexus has done with the LS because it is their heaviest hybrid to date. Frankly I'm disappointed with the results. If you had any objectivity in the matter maybe you would be disappointed, too.
LS460L 4332 lb
Highlander 2WD 3979 lb
For the third time (at least) in this thread: I'm comparing what Lexus has done with the LS because it is their heaviest hybrid to date. Frankly I'm disappointed with the results. If you had any objectivity in the matter maybe you would be disappointed, too.
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10-01-07 | 12:50 PM
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http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
2008 Tahoe 2WD, 5.3L: 14/20
2008 Tahoe 2WD, 4.8L: 14/19
10-01-07 | 01:17 PM
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In fact what I said is wait until Toyota comes out with a Sequoia Hybrid before any form of real/direct comparison can be made.
You're quoting 2007 EPA ratings instead of 2008. I don't know if that's on purpose because it suits your argument, or if it's just an over site on your part.
10-01-07 | 01:18 PM
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10-01-07 | 01:26 PM
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And that's exactly what's relevant here. If Lexus adds 700 lb to the LS to make it a hybrid, that's their problem.
When you look at the MPG and performance improvements (or lack thereof) that Lexus has come up with when starting out with their heaviest (to date) ICE vehicle to receive a hybrid makeover, I'll say again that the results are disappointing to me and should be disappointing to any objective observer.
repeating:
LS600hL vs LS460L:
MPG: 11% better
curb weight: 17% worse
0-60: 2% worse
trunk space: 35% less
I do hope they do better with heavy vehicles in the future. It will be too late for my current round of vehicle purchases, as I plan to replace my LX and RX in calendar 2008 (with one 6-8 passenger luxury vehicle, and one large luxury sedan). But I'll keep hoping for the following round.
When you look at the MPG and performance improvements (or lack thereof) that Lexus has come up with when starting out with their heaviest (to date) ICE vehicle to receive a hybrid makeover, I'll say again that the results are disappointing to me and should be disappointing to any objective observer.
repeating:
LS600hL vs LS460L:
MPG: 11% better
curb weight: 17% worse
0-60: 2% worse
trunk space: 35% less
I do hope they do better with heavy vehicles in the future. It will be too late for my current round of vehicle purchases, as I plan to replace my LX and RX in calendar 2008 (with one 6-8 passenger luxury vehicle, and one large luxury sedan). But I'll keep hoping for the following round.
10-01-07 | 01:28 PM
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