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Old 09-28-07, 09:50 AM
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Toyota surges ahead in fuel-cell development

Posted on Friday 28 September 2007


Toyota has reached a new milestone with the unveiling of an upgraded version of its fuel-cell prototype claimed to be 25% more fuel efficient than the current model. The car also has the added benefit of using less electricity to power its onboard equipment than previous versions.

After completing a test run on Friday, the new model was able to travel a distance of 480 miles on a singe tank of hydrogen. Two fuel-cell powered vehicles were able to travel the 350 miles between Osaka and Tokyo without needing to refuel and the tanks still had 30% of fuel upon arrival, reports the Associated Press.

Limited driving distance and cost have been major factors holding back fuel-cell technology. Toyota plans to continue its research to reduce the severity of these issues and also improve upon the technology’s durability and usability at low temperatures. Fuel-cell technology is touted by many as the powertrain of the future but the lack of proper hydrogen infrastructure and the expense of the technology itself will ensure it remains a gimmick paraded by carmakers pretending to be serious about alternative powertrains for some time to come.
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Hydrogen Hybrid Toyota drives from Osaka to Tokyo on one tank
Posted Sep 28th 2007 11:57AM by Justin Gardiner

Technically this Fuel Cell Hybrid Vehicle made the 560km journey on four tanks of hydrogen, as that's how many high pressure pods are hidden away under the Toyota Kluger's rear seats. But the big news is that this car, and a back up sibling, managed to drive 350 miles from the hydrogen fueling station by the Osaka Prefectural Government Office to Toyota's Mega Web theme park in Toyota without needing to stop for more, err, gas. The car even had 30-percent of its fuel left -- running its A/C the entire time -- which mathematically gives it a 480-mile range. That's double the range of most current fuel-cell vehicles.

Thanks to improvements to the car's fuel cells and the management system that controls the hybrid's charging and discharging, the FCHVs used today are 25% more efficient than their predecessors, which have been roaming Japan's streets since 2001 undergoing testing. New stronger tanks that can hold hydrogen at twice the pressure of the old ones also helped the car reach such an impressive range.

The two cars left Osaka at 5:10 (Japan time) this morning, but still encountered bumper to bumper traffic on their way out of the Kansai region. The cars may not have needed to refuel, but the drivers did, making several stops on the 350-mile trip, but the drivers reckon they managed an average speed of 80km/h while on the road. Both cars arrived in Tokyo in time for a quick wash before their press conference at 3:30pm - though neither driver would admit to having taken the cars to their quoted maximum speed of 155km/h (approx. 90mph) on public roads.

Once the press conference was over, Toyota graciously handed the keys to one of the cars to this Autoblogger for a quick blast around the Mega Web complex. From our short acquaintance we can say that it was very quiet, surprisingly quick off the line thanks to 26.5kg-m of torque, but otherwise drove just like any other compact SUV.

No word when these cars will make it to market, and at what price. But mark our words, they are coming.
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Interesting. I would love to see how this technology will evolve for all auto manufacturers...
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Wow... A midsize SUV with a range of 480 miles, this has to be the most practical fuel-cell vehicle yet. Kudos to Toyota!
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So much for everyone who thinks GM is the fuel cell leader and that Toyota is way behind .

I think this firmly shows that Toyota is one of the leaders in fuel cell development.
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
So much for everyone who thinks GM is the fuel cell leader and that Toyota is way behind .

I think this firmly shows that Toyota is one of the leaders in fuel cell development.
for long time, Toyota and GM were neck to neck... not sure how much money GM has invested in recent years though.

Another thing to note is that, although Toyota doesnt publish PR's until they actually acomplish something, Toyota has biggest alternative energy R&D budget in the world.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
for long time, Toyota and GM were neck to neck... not sure how much money GM has invested in recent years though.

Another thing to note is that, although Toyota doesnt publish PR's until they actually acomplish something, Toyota has biggest alternative energy R&D budget in the world.
It's also common sense. GM is in a very tight financial position so it can't spend a lot on R & D. Toyota continues to increase R & D spending every year.
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Wow... A midsize SUV with a range of 480 miles, this has to be the most practical fuel-cell vehicle yet. Kudos to Toyota!

yeah but with 4 tanks of hydrogen. Put a Camry tank into the Prius and it'll do 2,000kms on a tank.
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Originally Posted by Nextourer
yeah but with 4 tanks of hydrogen. Put a Camry tank into the Prius and it'll do 2,000kms on a tank.
There's no mention of the sizes of the 4 "pods", so I guess it's up to your interpretation.

But as long as those pods are hidden and don't intrude into the passenger or luggage space (which is the case), the size of the tank doesn't really matter.
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Well we need the infastructure and big oil ain't going to help.
 
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
There's no mention of the sizes of the 4 "pods", so I guess it's up to your interpretation.

But as long as those pods are hidden and don't intrude into the passenger or luggage space (which is the case), the size of the tank doesn't really matter.
I wonder if the 4 tanks are connected or individual. In the latter case, you have to fill 4 different holes? or is it redistributed from the filler tube?
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Well we need the infastructure and big oil ain't going to help.
I can believe that. Who would be willing to help? Some of those hydroelectric, companies such as Hydro Quebec, probably would back something like this. To **** off the oil companies. Also there is GE, who does hydro-electric stuff, could be another backer.

Anyways. That is some pretty good numbers.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Well we need the infastructure and big oil ain't going to help.
Shell will help
Shell is not just an oil company
it is an energy company heavily invested in alternative fuels such as natural gas and hydrogen

it is the FCV (fuel cell vehicle) project partner of GM


GM's Sequel FCV gets 300 miles
regardless of the size of this toyota's tank, id say Toyota is ahead of GM
unless toyota fitted the whole rear trunk storage of the highlander with hydrogen tanks
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