4TehNguyen

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whats the M45 refresh, not the Q

xioix

The new dark wood looks nice, and I like the zig zag shifter

tex2670

I tried to convince my mother in law to go with this over the Buick Lucerne, but to no avail. She wanted the bench seat...

Koma

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Nope that's the Q refresh.

dunnojack

front end is still ugly.

is this gonna use the problematic 6speed in the current ES and camry?......

tex2670

Yeah--it's pretty smart on Infiniti's part. Make the more expensive Q flagship look more like the less expensive M. Always good to have your flagship mistaken for a less expensive model...

LetMeShowU

Nice sarcasm

However, the Q has been discontinued as of MY 2007. In fact, Q production ended about two years ago. And in case you didn't realize, the refreshed Q was released in 2004 as a 2005 model, at least 6-8 months before the M came out.

DaveGS4

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Back on topic guys please.

One thing I wish they'd change would be the navigation... I felt tricked when I went to look at one of these in person and found that it was NOT a touchscreen. That little flip up door hides a little jog **** and selector buttons.

RXSF

ive always like the avalon except for the side profile. that crease on the doors isnt that pleasing to the eye. however, i think the front now looks more last gen LSish, esp around the headlights and grill area.

the reason why these toyotas get more of the "better" updated tech is because of 1 of the 2 reasons i can think of:

1) they need these gadgets to appeal to the mass market. Lexus can sell their own cars without all this stuff because it has the name to back it up. people will buy the lexus for the lexus. also, old people dont listen to ipods

2) it just so happens that redesigns for toyotas happen when things like ipod adapters seem to pop up. its just a coincidence. eventually, lexus is redesign their cars to include this....

tex2670

My Honda has a little joystick control, which I miss on the Lexus. Honda is still a touchscreen, but not to the extent that if you touch a spot on the screen, it will center to that position. I guess I'd like both functions--I like touching the screen with my finger to get the street address of that location, but I like the joystick control to move the screen a few streets over not currently shown on the screen.

tex2670

You did, in fact, show me. I stand corrected.

Back on topic...

Nextourer

Well when you're targeting a particular age group, a screen that's farther away can be beneficial (i.e. easier to read).

Also, they had alignment issues between the wood panels on the door and the dashboard. I can't upload the hires version cause it's too large for this site (856kb) so here's the lowres. It's somewhat fixed but the right side seems a bit off. It could be perception and because we're looking at it at a slight angle but the wood trim doesn't align well.

RX_330

The new lower front fascia looks like it's from Nissan. Needs like chrome surrounds for the fogs to brighten it up a little. I also hate the steering wheels on the new Toyotas.

But, overall, the Avalon is still very nice.

GSteg

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After 20 years+ of making cars, you would think Toyota changed the clock design. Seems like all they did was make change from the color green to blue

LexFather

I actually never got peoples infatuation with clocks in cars. I have a phone, a watch and rarely look at the clock in the car.

If I look at the clock in the car, its like when I enter and maybe 3 other times.

Thats just me though.