Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.

167,009 Toyota Prius' sold so far this year???

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-13-07, 04:28 PM
  #16  
CK6Speed
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (1)
 
CK6Speed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HI
Posts: 7,719
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RXSF
diesels in my opinion are not the way to go.

if you do some research, even the cleanest diesels arent that great.

the only plus is mpg, but the emissions are still not as clean. there are still a lot of particles being released into the air; the particles are smaller in mass than what they used to be, but there are a greater number of them.

plus, the loud ticking noise would drive me crazy

I agree if one is environmentally conscious. Problem is, most people really only care about MPG. When it comes to hybrids, that is really all I care about as well. The only reason I'm interested in better MPG is because the cost of fuel. Because of that, it means I'm interested in saving money. Hybrid prices are coming down so that is good news. I actually don't care about which technology wins in the long run. I only care about cheap MPG. Whichever technology can bring to the market great MPG while being very affordable gets my vote.

Heck, that said, I'm really impressed with the compressed air car. I want to see that come to the USA and further develop that technology.
CK6Speed is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 05:11 PM
  #17  
SLegacy99
Lead Lap
 
SLegacy99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: MD
Posts: 4,511
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Its alot easier to make a hybrid go fast than a diesel.
SLegacy99 is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 05:13 PM
  #18  
RXSF
Moderator
 
RXSF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 12,051
Likes: 0
Received 73 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Heck, that said, I'm really impressed with the compressed air car. I want to see that come to the USA and further develop that technology.
did you see that on the discovery channel? lol i saw an episode on that recently! great invention.

to those who do care about the environment though, were all going to die ine like 50 years unless we do something. its very depressing. im definately going to get me one of those hydrogen fuel cell vehicles when they start becoming mainstream
RXSF is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 05:34 PM
  #19  
Bean
Lexus Fanatic

iTrader: (1)
 
Bean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Florida
Posts: 5,218
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LexHiD
Welcome to gas conscious America! Anywhere else in the world, diesels rule. All Toyota has to do now is make a diesel/hybrid. Gas mileage would be awesome.
With the sheer amount of cars on the road in America, going to diesels would be a bad move. Diesel engines are dirty compared to petrol engines; we'd be polluting even more than we already are.

Even though it wouldnt affect the global warming trend (scientists are predicting a cooling trend coming on now btw, I'm sure we'll hear the ice age arguments soon), it still does other manners of pollution that kills off wildlife and does other bad things.
Bean is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 05:43 PM
  #20  
Nextourer
Lexus Champion
 
Nextourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: none
Posts: 4,192
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Coconut
In 5-10 years, there will be a new generation of tuners. this time, adding extra batteries and caps to voltmod there Prius!!
lol. Already done. A few Prius have been modded with Li-Ion batteries or simply had an extra NiMH battery added (it's like carrying an extra person all the time) to extend the range of the battery (EV mode) as well as being able to capture more energy via recharging.

Originally Posted by CK6Speed
My local Federal Credit Union is giving away a 07/08 Prius. Took a look at the window sticker while I was waiting in line and it showed around $23K. The prices seem to be coming down on these cars as at one point where I live you had to pay nearly $30K for one. While I was waiting in line, I thought about picking one up since we now live within 3-4 miles from work for both my wife and I. I figured I could add some nice 19"rims, a good A/V system for my son, and enter it in car shows But then, I'm not sure if anyone makes an exhausts system or intake or any other performance mods for the engine side. Do they even make lowering springs for this car? Maybe just go with Universal Air. Anyway, buy the time I got to a teller I decide against it. Fixing up a Camry Hybrid or Accord Hybrid is probably a better choice since the body is the same as its non Hybrid brothers, so more exterior parts should be available.
They've always started at $20k. They top out at $28k with leather, HIDs, bluetooth, nav and camera.

Maybe you were talking about the "market adjustment" pricing back in 2004/2005??

TOM'S makes exhaust systems, no intake. TOM'S or TRD makes good front/rear braces and TRD makes lowering springs (if the Touring edition ones aren't good enough). Body kits are available through KENSTYLE, Modellista and so forth.

Originally Posted by LexHiD
Welcome to gas conscious America! Anywhere else in the world, diesels rule. All Toyota has to do now is make a diesel/hybrid. Gas mileage would be awesome.
I talked to a person over at Italy. He said the diesels aren't that great. The only reason why so many people buy it is because diesel fuel used to be cheaper than petrol (it's closing in on par in many countries because of the new low sulphur diesel fuel) and you get company tax breaks if it's used as a company car (because countries like the UK give tax breaks to low CO2-emitting cars). The cleanest diesel here in the US (with the ULSD and AdBlue) is only as clean as your standard petrol car. It's rated as a Tier 2 bin 5 or ULEV-II. All your new Lexus models are ULEV-II except the hybrids which are Tier 2 Bin 3 or SULEV (plus they get AT-PZEV rating because of zero evaporative emissions).

Originally Posted by jracerlmn
i keep wondering how they're going to dispose of all those batteries....
Toyota has a recycling plant for the NiMH batteries. Had to shut down half its operation since not many batteries were making it to the factory. Most of the salvaged ones are being re-used.
Nextourer is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 07:39 PM
  #21  
-J-P-L-
Lexus Fanatic
 
-J-P-L-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 7,864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Go Toyota!

And to think that most companies thought Toyota made a mistake when it released the first Prius because they thought there was no market for it. Think GM. Now who's laughing.
-J-P-L- is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 07:41 PM
  #22  
-J-P-L-
Lexus Fanatic
 
-J-P-L-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 7,864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rosskoss
Yes, the Prius is now outselling entire brands in the US including -

Acura
Audi
Buick
Infiniti
Lincoln
Mercury
Mitsubishi
Saturn
Scion
Subaru
Suzuki
Volvo
That's why "Prius" will soon be it's own brand.
-J-P-L- is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 07:44 PM
  #23  
-J-P-L-
Lexus Fanatic
 
-J-P-L-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 7,864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rominl
that's insane number of one particular model sold in a year.....

And yet it's a small number when compared to the F-150, Silverado, Camry, Accord, Corolla, and Civic. Those sell more than McDonald's sells double cheeseburgers.

-J-P-L- is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 08:01 PM
  #24  
CK6Speed
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (1)
 
CK6Speed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HI
Posts: 7,719
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RXSF
did you see that on the discovery channel? lol i saw an episode on that recently! great invention.
Yes, I guess it was Discovery Channel. I heard about it but it was the first time I actually saw it on that episode. The neat thing about it is the nitrogen compressor, or whatever they were using to fill the tanks ran off compressed air or something like that. At the end they mentioned once the tech advances a bit to make those compressors smaller, the car itself can be self sustaining and never need to externally fill the tanks. That would be cool. Over all I can't see any down side at all.
CK6Speed is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 08:46 PM
  #25  
4TehNguyen
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
4TehNguyen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 26,058
Received 51 Likes on 46 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by CK6Speed
Yes, I guess it was Discovery Channel. I heard about it but it was the first time I actually saw it on that episode. The neat thing about it is the nitrogen compressor, or whatever they were using to fill the tanks ran off compressed air or something like that. At the end they mentioned once the tech advances a bit to make those compressors smaller, the car itself can be self sustaining and never need to externally fill the tanks. That would be cool. Over all I can't see any down side at all.
so where can i buy this license to violate the laws of thermodynamics
4TehNguyen is offline  
Old 12-13-07, 09:36 PM
  #26  
CK6Speed
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (1)
 
CK6Speed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HI
Posts: 7,719
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
so where can i buy this license to violate the laws of thermodynamics
I'm definitely no expert on thermo or fluid dynamics, but this is the published literature from the company. Maybe you can read about it and let us know why or why not this will work. All I know is they are going into production in Europe so I'm guessing something works.

http://www.theaircar.com/data_sheet.html
http://www.theaircar.com
CK6Speed is offline  
Old 12-14-07, 12:55 AM
  #27  
100plus
Lexus Test Driver
 
100plus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: New York
Posts: 1,243
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Bean
With the sheer amount of cars on the road in America, going to diesels would be a bad move. Diesel engines are dirty compared to petrol engines; we'd be polluting even more than we already are.

Even though it wouldnt affect the global warming trend (scientists are predicting a cooling trend coming on now btw, I'm sure we'll hear the ice age arguments soon), it still does other manners of pollution that kills off wildlife and does other bad things.
Thats true, diesels are pretty disgusting. But im going by the argument that people just wanted to save money at the pump first and cleanliness of the earth second. How many Prius's sold just cause of the gas hike of over 3 dollars/ gallon? Of course the all electric powered cars are coming in, as well as hydrogen powered cars (Honda FCX Clarity for example) but only to the states that hydrogen pump stations.

Last edited by 100plus; 12-14-07 at 06:51 AM.
100plus is offline  
Old 12-14-07, 04:21 AM
  #28  
Stelth91
Driver
 
Stelth91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Illinois
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

GM's BlueDiesel technology will change a lot of the bad emissions of diesel. The sulfur content of the exhaust will decrease 10 fold, from 500 ppm to just 5 ppm (parts per million) when this finishes.
Stelth91 is offline  
Old 12-14-07, 05:53 AM
  #29  
4TehNguyen
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
4TehNguyen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 26,058
Received 51 Likes on 46 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by CK6Speed
I'm definitely no expert on thermo or fluid dynamics, but this is the published literature from the company. Maybe you can read about it and let us know why or why not this will work. All I know is they are going into production in Europe so I'm guessing something works.

http://www.theaircar.com/data_sheet.html
http://www.theaircar.com
a self sustaining energy system is basically impossible because that would mean 100% efficiency, nothing anywhere can achieve 100% efficiency you will always have losses somewhere. Something will have to be recharged on that compressed air car sometime. There are always energy losses through heat, friction, and noise that rob efficiency. In a nutshell, you cant bounce energy back and forth without losses, you can most certainly try to recover as much as you can but you can never recover 100%

Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 12-14-07 at 05:56 AM.
4TehNguyen is offline  
Old 12-14-07, 06:14 AM
  #30  
CK6Speed
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (1)
 
CK6Speed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HI
Posts: 7,719
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
a self sustaining energy system is basically impossible because that would mean 100% efficiency, nothing anywhere can achieve 100% efficiency you will always have losses somewhere. Something will have to be recharged on that compressed air car sometime. There are always energy losses through heat, friction, and noise that rob efficiency. In a nutshell, you cant bounce energy back and forth without losses, you can most certainly try to recover as much as you can but you can never recover 100%
Oh, okay. Now I understand what part you were talking about. I thought you meant about the air car itself. That compressor thing I just heard on that episode on Discovery, so it may not have been the companies statement but the commentators. It may have had something to do with the on board generator powering a compressor or something, so I may have misunderstood exactly what they said.
CK6Speed is offline  


Quick Reply: 167,009 Toyota Prius' sold so far this year???



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:26 PM.