Honda confirms NSX for 2010
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Apparently after that concept bombed Acura/Honda went back to the drawing board, which caused the delay.
Rumor mill also has it that they are going back to mid instead of front engine due to negative comments.
Finally: they really should keep the NSX name for a supercar & name what they are making now something else. Why move it downmarket? I understand that they need something to compete w/ all the new vehicles in that segment but they also need something up where the NSX was to help w/ brand image.
Rumor mill also has it that they are going back to mid instead of front engine due to negative comments.
Finally: they really should keep the NSX name for a supercar & name what they are making now something else. Why move it downmarket? I understand that they need something to compete w/ all the new vehicles in that segment but they also need something up where the NSX was to help w/ brand image.
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Okay all the three-letter/number super cars from all the Japanese automakers are claimed for:
Nissan GT-R(production level)
Lexus LF-A(conceptual level)
Lexus IS-F(production level)
Honda/Acura NSX(conceptual level)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution also known as EVO(production level)
Subaru Impreza WRX STI or just STI(production level)
Mazda RX-7(No plan of production yet)
Wait a minute, Mazda still hasn't confirmed a new generation of RX-7, but I am sure they are working on it. I have seen enough of those Italian and German fast cars, now it is the Japanese's turn.
Nissan GT-R(production level)
Lexus LF-A(conceptual level)
Lexus IS-F(production level)
Honda/Acura NSX(conceptual level)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution also known as EVO(production level)
Subaru Impreza WRX STI or just STI(production level)
Mazda RX-7(No plan of production yet)
Wait a minute, Mazda still hasn't confirmed a new generation of RX-7, but I am sure they are working on it. I have seen enough of those Italian and German fast cars, now it is the Japanese's turn.
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Update
Next Generation NXS to Compete Directly w/ Ferrari on Price & Performance
Honda’s NSX replacement has had several false starts, with the company scrapping the car’s design after the public’s largely negative response to its Acura Advanced Sports Car Concept, shown at 2007’s Detroit Auto Show. Beyond the styling difficulties, ensuring the car will compete successfully with Lexus’s LF-A, Nissan’s GT-R, and Ferrari and Lamborghini’s sport-focused offerings is also taking time. But the company is sure it will do so, and the target date is 2010.
Speaking with MotorAuthority, Acura spokesman Mike Spencer confirmed several details of the upcoming NSX replacement. The car will definitely be powered by a V10 engine, and it will be equipped with the company’s SH-AWD system. There has been some discussion of a possible four-wheel steering system (4WS) for the NSX replacement, but Spencer suggested the SH-AWD system would achieve most of the benefits of 4WS without the added complexity.
The original NSX was a mid-engine, rear-wheel drive V6-powered car, so the replacement will share little in common with it from a technical point of view. The replacement is also unlikely to share the NSX name - Spencer referred to it only as the ‘NSX replacement.’
Pricing of the NSX replacement will also be a bit different than the original. The low price of the NSX - $60,000 in the U.S. on its 1990 debut, rising to just below $100,000 by the end of its model run in 2005 - will no longer be so low, with pricing to compete with its performance rivals from Ferrari and Lamborghini.
The NSX replacement’s primary competition at Ferrari and Lamborghini will come most likely in the form of the F430 and Gallardo, respectively. Both start around $180,000, and according to Spencer, current exchange rates between the Yen and the U.S. Dollar mean the NSX replacement will be priced in line with that figure.
Pricing the NSX’s replacement at effectively double the price of the last model means Honda/Acura is positioning the car as a direct competitor to Europe’s elite supercars - not a budget alternative.
Nissan’s GT-R is priced to fit into the latter category, although its 2+2 seating configuration and hefty dimensions take it out of direct competition with lightweight two-seaters anyway. Lexus’s LF-A supercar is perhaps a more direct competitor for the NSX replacement and its European counterparts, and rumors of its pricing range from just over $100,000 to nearer the $170,000 mark, tending to confirm that Nissan’s GT-R isn’t the LF-A’s target, either.
When it debuted in 1990, Honda’s NSX was hailed by many as one of the best performance cars ever to come out of Japan, and it equaled several of the established European sports cars of the day, including Ferrari’s 348. Its use of high-tech materials and design would set the standard for the next decade.
Although the original car’s 5.2 second 0-60mph time and 13.3 second quarter-mile time would qualify it more as a sports car than a supercar by today’s standards - Nissan’s latest 350Z posts similar numbers, and the standard Corvette coupe beats both figures by at least 0.4 seconds - the updated replacement is shaping up to be a purebred supercar, with a price to match.
Honda’s NSX replacement has had several false starts, with the company scrapping the car’s design after the public’s largely negative response to its Acura Advanced Sports Car Concept, shown at 2007’s Detroit Auto Show. Beyond the styling difficulties, ensuring the car will compete successfully with Lexus’s LF-A, Nissan’s GT-R, and Ferrari and Lamborghini’s sport-focused offerings is also taking time. But the company is sure it will do so, and the target date is 2010.
Speaking with MotorAuthority, Acura spokesman Mike Spencer confirmed several details of the upcoming NSX replacement. The car will definitely be powered by a V10 engine, and it will be equipped with the company’s SH-AWD system. There has been some discussion of a possible four-wheel steering system (4WS) for the NSX replacement, but Spencer suggested the SH-AWD system would achieve most of the benefits of 4WS without the added complexity.
The original NSX was a mid-engine, rear-wheel drive V6-powered car, so the replacement will share little in common with it from a technical point of view. The replacement is also unlikely to share the NSX name - Spencer referred to it only as the ‘NSX replacement.’
Pricing of the NSX replacement will also be a bit different than the original. The low price of the NSX - $60,000 in the U.S. on its 1990 debut, rising to just below $100,000 by the end of its model run in 2005 - will no longer be so low, with pricing to compete with its performance rivals from Ferrari and Lamborghini.
The NSX replacement’s primary competition at Ferrari and Lamborghini will come most likely in the form of the F430 and Gallardo, respectively. Both start around $180,000, and according to Spencer, current exchange rates between the Yen and the U.S. Dollar mean the NSX replacement will be priced in line with that figure.
Pricing the NSX’s replacement at effectively double the price of the last model means Honda/Acura is positioning the car as a direct competitor to Europe’s elite supercars - not a budget alternative.
Nissan’s GT-R is priced to fit into the latter category, although its 2+2 seating configuration and hefty dimensions take it out of direct competition with lightweight two-seaters anyway. Lexus’s LF-A supercar is perhaps a more direct competitor for the NSX replacement and its European counterparts, and rumors of its pricing range from just over $100,000 to nearer the $170,000 mark, tending to confirm that Nissan’s GT-R isn’t the LF-A’s target, either.
When it debuted in 1990, Honda’s NSX was hailed by many as one of the best performance cars ever to come out of Japan, and it equaled several of the established European sports cars of the day, including Ferrari’s 348. Its use of high-tech materials and design would set the standard for the next decade.
Although the original car’s 5.2 second 0-60mph time and 13.3 second quarter-mile time would qualify it more as a sports car than a supercar by today’s standards - Nissan’s latest 350Z posts similar numbers, and the standard Corvette coupe beats both figures by at least 0.4 seconds - the updated replacement is shaping up to be a purebred supercar, with a price to match.
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Acura managment hasn't a clue.
1. They say they revise the NSX concept but bring us that grill still on the new RL and TSX.
2. Acura is not global and I don't think it will be global in time for this cars debut. So will it be a Honda NSX there and Acura NSX here. Which leads to point 3
3. No one buys expensive Hondas overseas and no one buys expensive Acuras in America. Who the HELL is planning the business case for this? They can barely pass the 40k mark with sales and fail at the 50k mark.
4. The NSXPrime guys continue to be pissed at these efforts, press releases and plans. How can Honda crap on one of the best groups of enthusiasts around?
5. Have they not seen the Audi R8?
6. So Acura will have the 28k TSX, cannot give away a 50k RL and then try to sell an 180k supercar.
Its not that hard. Just take the NSX forumla and make it better. Notice how Porsche just evolves the 911. THe NSX just needed so TLC, not a clean sheet of paper.
1. They say they revise the NSX concept but bring us that grill still on the new RL and TSX.
2. Acura is not global and I don't think it will be global in time for this cars debut. So will it be a Honda NSX there and Acura NSX here. Which leads to point 3
3. No one buys expensive Hondas overseas and no one buys expensive Acuras in America. Who the HELL is planning the business case for this? They can barely pass the 40k mark with sales and fail at the 50k mark.
4. The NSXPrime guys continue to be pissed at these efforts, press releases and plans. How can Honda crap on one of the best groups of enthusiasts around?
5. Have they not seen the Audi R8?
6. So Acura will have the 28k TSX, cannot give away a 50k RL and then try to sell an 180k supercar.
Its not that hard. Just take the NSX forumla and make it better. Notice how Porsche just evolves the 911. THe NSX just needed so TLC, not a clean sheet of paper.
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I swear the SUV guys are running Honda/Acura and telling them how to style their cars and what to put in them.
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Exactly. Hell the NSX-R won EVO's car of the year!!! THe NSX like the 911, just needed some evolving. Keep it light, rear engine with more power. The NSX did not age poorly, even in 2002, it looked good, handled with the best of them, had a good interior and had enough power. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS MAKE A NEW NSX IN THE MOLD OF THE OLD ONE, HOW HARD IS THAT?
I swear the SUV guys are running Honda/Acura and telling them how to style their cars and what to put in them.
I swear the SUV guys are running Honda/Acura and telling them how to style their cars and what to put in them.
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And we know nothing about the car, it might be a full on super car, it might be not; no one said it was going to be a grand tourer. I don't see how this is any different than a front engine, RWD Lexus.
You guys say you want a new NSX in the mold of the old one but the fact is that no one bought it. I'm not saying it was a bad car; I love the old NSX, I love it to this day. But the people with the kind of money to buy cars like that don't want to blow it on a 6-cylinder engine low horsepower car. They want to blow it on a faster, bigger engined car. It's not about how good the car itself is, its about perception. A lot of you will mention the Porsche 911; I'm sorry but like it or not, the NSX just doesn't have the 911's cachet and *name*. Again, I know it sucks. I love the NSX. And I do wish they would just make something like the HSC concept; that car was perfect, and Honda is all about light weight, low HP brilliant handling sports cars. But I just don't think there is a business case for another 90k 6-cylinder mid engine super car for Honda/Acura.
Why they can't go the R8 route and make a brilliant V8-powered mid engine sports car for around 100k is beyond me though. Would you seriously consider a 6 cyl 350 hp NSX for the same price as the V8 420 hp Audi R8? I couldn't, but a 400 hp 8 cyl NSX would certainly be more appealing, at the 100k mark. Could be just the image boost that Acura DESPERATELY needs.
Making this car front engine is a huge mistake imo but it worked for GTR, seems to be working for LF-A, maybe there's a method to this madness.
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This is still not official information but speculations aside from Honda confirming the NSX for 2010. Pricing is probrably not set yet. 180K is too high though. 180K is too high for any Japanese or American sports car. At that price people will only spend that much if it is European and it is a bad idea for Acura or Lexus to price their sports/GT cars that high, they don't have the name or image to sell cars like that no matter how good they are at those prices and will only attract a very small number of Lexus or Acura enthusiasts. At 180K most people just buy on brand/prestige alone and don't really care if it will be reliable or get decent gas mileage and they want Italian, German, and British high end names. For the Acura or Lexus to even be considered to be sold at that price they would have to offer revolutionary performance and drop dead gorgeous looks inside and out and simply beat everything in their price class and over and still be considered bargains at their price point which sounds very difficult.
I think the LFA and NSX replacement will be good for the brands and help their image but they must be done right and not priced too high. They should really cost around 105-115K. Any higher and they are going to be very tough sells and will get critisized for being way too high.
I still don't see why Acura can't come out with this front engined high performance v10 performance lux GT that competes with Aston Martins, LFA, Front engined Porsche coupe, Ferrari 599, M6, etc and also offer a true mid engine NSX replacement with a mid engine v8 or optional v10 that directly competes with mid engine sports cars like th R8, F430, Gallardo, Lotus Espirit, etc. Why do they have to only make 1 car to compete with so many other types of cars when it really can't. There was nothing wrong the original NSX formula, it just needed to build up a following to sell in good numbers and it has built up a following. All it needed was more hp and more options. It was a mistake to totally change the formula of the original NSX and I hope Honda has not completely abondoned the idea of a true mid engined NSX replacement in the future.
I think the LFA and NSX replacement will be good for the brands and help their image but they must be done right and not priced too high. They should really cost around 105-115K. Any higher and they are going to be very tough sells and will get critisized for being way too high.
I still don't see why Acura can't come out with this front engined high performance v10 performance lux GT that competes with Aston Martins, LFA, Front engined Porsche coupe, Ferrari 599, M6, etc and also offer a true mid engine NSX replacement with a mid engine v8 or optional v10 that directly competes with mid engine sports cars like th R8, F430, Gallardo, Lotus Espirit, etc. Why do they have to only make 1 car to compete with so many other types of cars when it really can't. There was nothing wrong the original NSX formula, it just needed to build up a following to sell in good numbers and it has built up a following. All it needed was more hp and more options. It was a mistake to totally change the formula of the original NSX and I hope Honda has not completely abondoned the idea of a true mid engined NSX replacement in the future.
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This is still not official information but speculations aside from Honda confirming the NSX for 2010. Pricing is probrably not set yet. 180K is too high though. 180K is too high for any Japanese or American sports car. At that price people will only spend that much if it is European and it is a bad idea for Acura or Lexus to price their sports/GT cars that high, they don't have the name or image to sell cars like that no matter how good they are at those prices and will only attract a very small number of Lexus or Acura enthusiasts. At 180K most people just buy on brand/prestige alone and don't really care if it will be reliable or get decent gas mileage and they want Italian, German, and British high end names. For the Acura or Lexus to even be considered to be sold at that price they would have to offer revolutionary performance and drop dead gorgeous looks inside and out and simply beat everything in their price class and over and still be considered bargains at their price point which sounds very difficult.
I think the LFA and NSX replacement will be good for the brands and help their image but they must be done right and not priced too high. They should really cost around 105-115K. Any higher and they are going to be very tough sells and will get critisized for being way too high.
I still don't see why Acura can't come out with this front engined high performance v10 performance lux GT that competes with Aston Martins, LFA, Front engined Porsche coupe, Ferrari 599, M6, etc and also offer a true mid engine NSX replacement with a mid engine v8 or optional v10 that directly competes with mid engine sports cars like th R8, F430, Gallardo, Lotus Espirit, etc. Why do they have to only make 1 car to compete with so many other types of cars when it really can't. There was nothing wrong the original NSX formula, it just needed to build up a following to sell in good numbers and it has built up a following. All it needed was more hp and more options. It was a mistake to totally change the formula of the original NSX and I hope Honda has not completely abondoned the idea of a true mid engined NSX replacement in the future.
I think the LFA and NSX replacement will be good for the brands and help their image but they must be done right and not priced too high. They should really cost around 105-115K. Any higher and they are going to be very tough sells and will get critisized for being way too high.
I still don't see why Acura can't come out with this front engined high performance v10 performance lux GT that competes with Aston Martins, LFA, Front engined Porsche coupe, Ferrari 599, M6, etc and also offer a true mid engine NSX replacement with a mid engine v8 or optional v10 that directly competes with mid engine sports cars like th R8, F430, Gallardo, Lotus Espirit, etc. Why do they have to only make 1 car to compete with so many other types of cars when it really can't. There was nothing wrong the original NSX formula, it just needed to build up a following to sell in good numbers and it has built up a following. All it needed was more hp and more options. It was a mistake to totally change the formula of the original NSX and I hope Honda has not completely abondoned the idea of a true mid engined NSX replacement in the future.
While LExus and Acura are both from Japan, you simply cannot compare the 2 brands, they are on total opposite ends of the spectrum. Lexus is a tier 1 brand and #92 on the most known brands in the world. Acura was just found to be lowest in the United States with branding.
I am not going to go further its obvious. Lexus has proven it CAN sell a 100k sedan, which is simply territory reserved for Europe. LS 600h L sales are 300% past projections. The LF-A is the next step to move Lexus further upward in a LOOOOOOONNG 20 year strategy of multiple home runs, triples and doubles with the rare swing and miss.
Lexus has the strategy to move upward and the results to show they can move upward. Their management is top notch.
Acura moves downward in strategy and has not proven they can sell past 40-50k.
I've said it many times before and I don't know why people just act like its not the truth. IMAGE and PERCEPTION and TOTAL BRAND are key when you sell higher priced vehicles. These people are clearly successful people and they want to be associated with brands that are successful and highly desirable. People buy Lexus/BMW/Benz "just because". They buy the newest vehicles they offer "b/c its the newest thing they got". The brands worked hard to earn this type of justification.
Acura has done a **** poor job building their brand for any new NSX. Their flagship is a complete dud. They then bring 2 4 cylinders in the TSX and RDX (good cars but sub entry level). The NSX was canned in what 2002. Its 2008 and what have they done to move UPWARD, so the NSX would be a natural extension?
Nothing
The TL and MDX has done very well for them and continue to do so. However that won't cut it.
Over 50k, you have to build THE BRAND up. You can have the greatest car in the world, if prospective buyers do not RESPECT the brand, it will sell like ice cream to eskimos.
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