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Old 12-27-07 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by j stuff
I hate how toyota is making their cars way too similar to its Lexus counterparts

I would say it looks very similar to an IS

So do you drive a corolla or IS?
Old 12-27-07 | 12:10 PM
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Not as cool looking as a new Civic. And I don't like the stupid little red reflectors in the back bumper.
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
anyone who confuses a corolla with a camry/IS/whatever has got to be blind, yea there are a couple similarly looking features, if you see these things in real life the size of the car will be a dead giveaway as to whether its an IS/camry/whatever. Anyone who confuses a GS with an avalon is blind too. I have zero trouble in identifying any toyota/lexus vehicles correctly
Its not about confusing one for the other. Anyone that would do that is pretty ignorant.

Its about them looking strikingly similar.

They arent on the same playing field Toyota and Lexus, so they shouldnt design so similarly
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Originally Posted by cherplex
So do you drive a corolla or IS?
Nope, I drive gs
Old 12-27-07 | 02:21 PM
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I don't think this Crapolla looks ANYTHING like an IS.
Old 12-27-07 | 02:33 PM
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I prefer the Civic to the Corolla, but it's interesting to note that sales of each thru November are:

Corolla 342,008 (end of the current model run)
Civic 303,905 (current gen, including hybrid).
Old 12-27-07 | 02:44 PM
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If anything the Corolla is alot better than their domestic counterparts. Cobalt and Fockus come to mind.

I'll take the Corolla and Civic over those anyday.
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Originally Posted by j stuff
Its not about confusing one for the other. Anyone that would do that is pretty ignorant.

Its about them looking strikingly similar.

They arent on the same playing field Toyota and Lexus, so they shouldnt design so similarly
its a boring topic to whine about how some cars look similar to another car, its nearly unavoidable in todays car design. Whatever you make its going to look like something else, no point to beat a dead horse anymore
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Originally Posted by LexBob2
I prefer the Civic to the Corolla, but it's interesting to note that sales of each thru November are:

Corolla 342,008 (end of the current model run)
Civic 303,905 (current gen, including hybrid).
Exactly, WHY would Toyota make a drastic change, when the OLD model outsells the NEW Civic?
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Originally Posted by spwolf
And of course, here is the European interior:

That interior looks a lot better then the other one....
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
I don't think this Crapolla looks ANYTHING like an IS.
I agree bit, I dont see any resemblence at all except the front end (of the XRS or S model that we're seeing here) is very similar to the front-end of the Camry SE (note Toyota may be using this look as an sporty front-end for those models). I see nothing resembling an IS except it also has 4 doors, 4 wheels and 4 tires.
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Originally Posted by Overclocker
This is so cheap looking it isn't funny.

Look at the Taiwanese Corolla:


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The early pics of the Corolla from other countries looked like the US Corolla would be quite nice, but it looks like the US gets shafted yet again
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I guess I could be the only one but IMO, that interior looks class leading. I obviously haven't sat in it but from a design and functionality perspective it looks wonderful. Nice colors and trims, layout, details, etc.

I really like it! The exterior could have been more interesting though.
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Initial Impressions from Car and Driver.

http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...a-corolla.html


First Drive: 2009 Toyota Corolla - Previews

No quantum leap for the tenth generation of the best-selling car in history.

BY STEVE SILER, December 2007

Toyota sells a lot of Corollas. With 30 million units sold in 40 years, the Corolla is the best-selling passenger car in history. So it pretty much goes without saying that this is a critically important car for Toyota.

Furthermore, Toyota claims that one in three of the 272,000 people that bought Corollas in 2006 will eventually trade in his or her car for another Corolla—yes, not just another Toyota, but another Corolla—easily earning it one of the highest customer loyalty rates of any automobile. And it’s probably safe to say that many of the others trade up into the larger Camry, which is currently the best-selling passenger car in the U.S.

So it makes sense for Toyota to closely tie the Corolla in style and character to the Camry. And that’s exactly what they did this time around. Corolla shoppers (and anyone else entering the Toyota showroom after February of next year) will find a pleasant if unremarkable sedan that is little more (and little less) than a Camry that’s been scaled down in pretty much every respect.

Faint praise, yes, but well-earned faint praise.

Familiar Styling
From pretty much every angle, including the window line, the cut-lines on the hood, and the head- and taillamp graphics, the Corolla and Camry appear to be two sizes of the same dress. Sportier S and XRS trims even have the same style of body cladding as the Camry Sport models (does anyone find it curious that even as GM issues a moratorium on body cladding, Toyota steps it up on the cheap stuff?). That said, we approve, since the overall look is pleasing enough to the eye and considerably bolder than before, although still rather far from exciting.

Two Personalities
Corolla buyers, Toyota says, are split between both ends of the age spectrum: older empty nesters on one end, young singles and couples just starting out on the other. Previous Corollas have taken a one-size-and-style-fits-all approach, but the ’09 model branches out with five trim levels—two of which are on the sporty side—in order to more effectively reach buyers in the crucial younger demographic.

At the bottom of the ladder is the “Standard” array, which should appeal to the budget-minded of both groups. While hardly a luxury car—with crank windows and manual locks—the base Corolla features such good stuff as a telescoping steering wheel, air conditioning, and an exterior temp gauge. More significantly, perhaps, are the Corolla’s six standard airbags, ABS, and available stability control (on all trims), which bring the humble sedan into the realm of safety once reserved for family and luxury cars.

From there, the LE and XLE trims will continue to appease the conservative, older set, with power accessories and other comfort items, as well as a lengthy options list that now includes a navigation system.

For the young ’uns, the S and new XRS trims branch out with a slightly different set of priorities, i.e. with more emphasis on cosmetic and performance enhancements than comfort amenities. For example, with the S, a leather-wrapped steering wheel and more supportive (and comfortable) sport seats come standard while power windows remain optional. Black headlamp trim and a chrome exhaust tip dress up the exterior of the S, and the XRS goes even further with 17-inch wheels, a spoiler, and 26 more horsepower (more on that in a bit). And for the gadget geeks, all of the standard and optional features that come with the LE and XLE trims are available on these variants as well, although usually as options.

Even so, we’re disappointed with the design and materials used throughout the interior. The peanut-butter lids doubling as rheostat dials for the climate controls are particularly horrifying from a company that could probably buy any one of Detroit’s Big Three automakers with the change in its pockets. If Toyota wants to maintain its lead in this business, we dare suggest it benchmark some of GM’s interiors and then do better, not worse.

Besides, the best-selling car of all time deserves better, doesn’t it?

Two Distinct Powertrains
Base Corollas, as well as LE, XLE, and S models, all come with a 1.8-liter four-cylinder engine with variable valve timing on both overhead camshafts. The result is 132 horsepower and 128 lb-ft of torque, each up six from last year’s 1.8. Five-speed manual and four-speed automatic transmission choices remain. Final EPA fuel economy figures remain TBD at the time of this writing, but Toyota expects them to be about 27 city/35 highway, more or less the same as 2007 even with the EPA’s stricter 2008 testing regiment.

The revived XRS trim level, however, gets rather more interesting, borrowing the 158-hp, 162-lb-ft 2.4-liter four-cylinder found in the Scion xB and tC. Both manual and automatic transmissions contain five gears, with the automatic including a manumatic feature—the first of its kind on a Corolla.

Other notable features on the XRS trim are standard stability control, rear disc brakes, 17-inch wheels, and a front strut-tower brace.

Toyota’s Mazda 3? Think Again
Going into our first drive of the Corolla, we figured that the Toyota’s electric power steering and torsion beam rear suspension would see to it that it didn’t drive as well as a Mazda 3. We were nonetheless curious to see just what an incremental jump the XRS would represent over the other Corollas, and to see just how close it gets to the Scion tC, among other cars, in the fun-to-drive category.

We were right about one thing: base, LE, XLE, and S models don’t drive anything like the happy Mazda or the tC. Indeed, it was painfully (painlessly?) soft, à la the Hyundai Elantra or Ford Focus. We yearned for anything resembling feel from either the shifter, the steering, or the chassis. Then again, most Corolla customers yearn for anything but that, so go ahead and tell your retired parents that they’ll be perfectly happy with the new Corolla.

As for the XRS, a little additional engine went some way—not a long way, mind you—toward adding cajones to what is ultimately a terminally limp-wristed automobile. With standard 17s and a strut-tower brace, the electric steering is livelier, but still nowhere near that of even the base Mazda 3 i. Now, had Toyota swapped the rear torsion beam for the same independent rear suspension found on its mechanical twin, the 2009 Matrix XRS, the whole package might be a bit more tossable. But as is, the be-spoilered XRS is more flash than dash.

Where and When?
Per Toyota tradition, prices will be withheld until closer to the on-sale date, which is estimated to be February or March of 2008. Prices will likely rise little from their current levels, which hover between $15K and $18K. We expect that a loaded Corolla XRS with nav and leather will stay around $20K.

Aside from its affordability, however, we’re let down by the new Corolla. Perhaps Toyota has set the bar so high in its various segments for the last two decades up to and including the current Camry that we expect every at-bat to result in a home run. And though we have no doubt that the Corolla will continue to seduce buyers by the hundreds of thousands, that fact may be more than ever a matter of momentum as opposed to product superiority, because the new Corolla is no quantum leap.



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