cspec

But you must admit, Toyota, if they were to even build another Supra, will need to make one hell of a car to compete with the new GTR.

Shawnmack

Use the IS platform, use the 3.5 V6, and maybe tune the suspension to be more sport, take away 2 doors. You not only have a sports car to compete with the Z, Mustang, Rx-8 and the Honda Accord coupe but also you will have a IS coupe to go against the G37 and the 335 coupe.
How hard would that be. I can figure that out.

Tekknikal

so basically, you guys want lexus to build a g35, 350z, and gt-r???

why dont you all just buy one of the nissan cars right now?

speedflex

I disagree that price determines supercar status, performance does. Price may determine "exotic" status, though.

Based on performance, if the GT-R is not a supercar, I don't know what would be.

Tekknikal

id say exclusivity and design intent make a supercar although price and performance play key roles as well.

imo supercar = zonda, cgt, enzo/fxx/mc12, ascaris, etc.

911s, GT-Rs, 430s/Scuderias, etc are not.

speedflex

Apparently the guys at Top gear think it is a supercar.


Supercar of the Year: Nissan GT-R

'The GT-R is monstrously good. It locks on like a missile. Seriously, this thing hooks up and accelerates like a Bugatti Veyron. Its body control is breathtaking, too - you just know that this car has been meticulously engineered down to the last tiny grommet. I seriously doubt that there is a car on the planet that can corner faster or more aggressively than this.'

Jason Barlow

http://www.topgear.com/content/timet...r/awards07/12/

Tekknikal

articles in the media are written by normal people that have opinions, their opinion does not determine mine.

im a nissan fan and enthusiast as much as anyone else here, but if you really believe that a car that does the 1/4 in 11.6 @ 121mph hooks up and accelerates like a car that does the 1/4 in <10.5 @ 140mph+ ... i cant continue to discuss this with you

sure the car is stunning, but if you call it a supercar, what do you call the other cars i mention? that is why, in all fairness i leave them separate.

Initial B

iTrader: (2)

because the Z is ultimately a pig with a GM-quality interior, and because there should be more than 1 manufacturer per car segment available to us consumers

Tekknikal

a pig that outperforms anything costing less, sure.
a pig that apparently everyone wishes toyota would have built, yes
GM quality interior? no. maybe on the earlier ones but not on the post 05 models.... and again, its interior is better for the purpose than anything costing less.

i agree on competition, but you dont want toyota to try to build a Z,G, or GT-R. over the long term, that wouldnt create much value for anyone.

speedflex

I'm not arguing your point because what actually is a supercar depends on what definition you go by. You have yours. I have mine and they have theirs. But apparently it is not out of the question to call the GT-R a supercar.

Initial B

iTrader: (2)

the fact that there's nothing else on the market to compete doesn't mean that the Z is a great car by default. But I'm glad Nissan at least has the sack to make a car for this market, unlike Toyota, grrr

no one wishes Toyota made a 3600 lb sports car with tire-feathering issues, grease streaks on the windows, cheap *** interior, etc

again, what else costs less, the Rustang? I drove a Z hoping to like it. I didn't, so I bought the S2k. Much more fun than the Z, but still not what I want, which is a RWD Toyota sports car, hopefully with FI

?? please elaborate, specifically regarding the Z market

Koma

iTrader: (3)

Well no one wants any other car manufacturer to carbon copy another car and market it as their own. We want a competitor to those cars so that we have choices. Sure the Z and G are cool cars and are sporty but that's all I see around here. I wouldn't want a car that I saw everywhere. Competition almost always is a winning situation for consumers. Some people are brand loyal. I'm brand loyal but that doesn't mean I wouldn't shop at another brand if what I really want isn't within my favored brand.

LexFather

I love the GT-R and I would love to own one but its NOT a supercar. There is no "your" definition.

A Supercar is MORE than performance. It is the TOTAL experience, from styling, to rarity, to heritage, to dealer experience, etc.

The GT-R has stunning performance for 70k, its no supercar.

Supercar=Ferrari's, Lambos, Saleen S7, Bugatti, etc etc...
A supercar NIssan would be the car they built in the early 1990s as they competed in F1 (I believe). I forgot the name but it was 1 million dollars and I think one was produced.

speedflex

Absolutely there is a "your" definition because what you gave above is your definition. Many would not share it.

For me a supercar is one which does what few other cars can do. It's for me almost purely a matter of capability. There's fast and then there's unusually fast (superfast) there's good handling and there's extraordinary handling. It's the difference between a man and superman.

The other stuff you mention is incidental. Heritage and dealer experience are irrelevant to that point. Many may never accept the GT-R as a supercar due to price but that's one of the amazing things the car may well have achieved. Proving that a supercar doesn't have to have a superprice.

Here's an interesting discussion on the subject.

http://auto-news-blog.com/nissan/is-the-gt-r-a-supercar

Shawnmack

Lexus will have a super car to compete with the GTR and the next NX. All the car makers have a sports car but Toyota. How much more money it would be to make the Supra.