Will the next Supra have the GT-R as its benchmark?
01-04-08, 05:09 PM
#61
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I googled Supercar and these were the first images to come up...
http://images.google.com/images?q=su...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
http://images.google.com/images?q=su...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
01-04-08, 05:28 PM
#62
After realizing how good the new GT-R is, Toyota probably would readjust the aiming price of its upcoming Lexus LF-A. Because I don't think that little performance advantage, if there is some, would justify the extra $70k it has over the Nissan super car. I am expecting a $110k LF-A in 2009. Now if Toyota is going to produce a new Supra, it would go against 350Z instead of GT-R in my opinion because its LF-A's job to defeat GT-R. Being the largest automaker in the world(or number 2?), it still doesn't have a pure sports car in its current lineup, regardless the price. Toyota/Lexus/Scion should have at least three pure sports car, I mean pure sports car, not Scion tC or Lexus IS-F. Something similar to AE86 Trueno or Supra or MR2, not some sedan based coupe. One aiming at those late teens and twenty something young people at $20k, one at around $35k and one at the super car level who serves more those successful people who doesn't want to spend $200k on a Lamborghini.
01-04-08, 06:00 PM
#63
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The next Supra will have a Porsche benchmark. Why would they look down?
01-05-08, 12:30 AM
#64
I do however think the GT-R is a supercar in some respects. The Supra is a supercar to many and that wasn't priced in exotic range. I think has to do more with legendary status and when you hear someone say the name it sparks your interest immediately. I mean at the rate GM produces Corvette's (even though the Z06 is quite a performer) people don't think of it as a supercar because they're everywhere. The Z06 isn't everywhere I suppose but even when you catch one, they don't differentiate the body enough to make you think "supercar." It's a vague term and it's suspect to opinion.
The only people that think a Supra is/was a supercar are "Some" die hard Supra lovers. Know, the Supra is one hell of a car and I like it myself, but even some of my friend's that own one wouldn't call it a Supercar. For starters, while its performance at its time in stock for was very impressive, it still wasn't Supercar class. Sure, with modifications it has supercar performance, but that doesn't move it up into Supercar status IMHO.
Now, lets take your Corvette analogy. If the ZO6 gets associated too closely to the lower performing standard Corvette, the same problem should apply to the Supra in its NA form. There are a lot more NA Supras around the original Turbocharged ones.
Anyway, for me, a Supercar doesn't alway have to be the fastest or beset performing. It has to be at that level though, and have a price tag that only a very select few can afford.
01-05-08, 12:32 AM
#65
I googled Supercar and these were the first images to come up...
http://images.google.com/images?q=su...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
http://images.google.com/images?q=su...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Except for the R8 which I personally would classify it as an Exotic and not a Supercar, I notice a very familiar theme which I agree with in those pictures. Most have the classic wedge shape as a base, and most are mid engine.
01-05-08, 10:57 AM
#67
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As far as future Supras, i would envison a 2 tiered offering:
1) NA 3.5L V6 300hp offering to battle its real archnemesis: the 350z/370z
2) A Hi-powered offering hybrid awd technology showcase, with no specific target other than to take the hybrid sports crown a la the Supra HR-V racer.
Lastly in terms of supercar, exotic definitions:
Supra / Vette : Sports Car
Ferrari / Lambo : Exotic
McLaren F1 / Bugatti : Supercar
01-05-08, 10:37 PM
#68
Not sure about that, since i see far more TT models than N/A, but to take your analogy further, would you classify the GT-R performance with the more pedestrian Skyline, or the Evo/STI with their more demure sedan Lancer/Impreza counterparts? IMHO Each is its own unique vehicle.
As far as future Supras, i would envison a 2 tiered offering:
1) NA 3.5L V6 300hp offering to battle its real archnemesis: the 350z/370z
2) A Hi-powered offering hybrid awd technology showcase, with no specific target other than to take the hybrid sports crown a la the Supra HR-V racer.
Lastly in terms of supercar, exotic definitions:
Supra / Vette : Sports Car
Ferrari / Lambo : Exotic
McLaren F1 / Bugatti : Supercar
As far as future Supras, i would envison a 2 tiered offering:
1) NA 3.5L V6 300hp offering to battle its real archnemesis: the 350z/370z
2) A Hi-powered offering hybrid awd technology showcase, with no specific target other than to take the hybrid sports crown a la the Supra HR-V racer.
Lastly in terms of supercar, exotic definitions:
Supra / Vette : Sports Car
Ferrari / Lambo : Exotic
McLaren F1 / Bugatti : Supercar
Are those original TT's though? I know there are a lot of NA-Ts out there or 2JZ transplants. It would be interesting to see if someone can find original sales figures for the NA Supra and TT Supra during its years.
Anyway, as for performance, I wouldn't associate the GTR with the Skyline, or Lancer with the EVO and such. The performance is on a different level. I would still classify the car in the same class thoughj. So while the GTR may have supercar performance, it still isn't a supercar or exotic as far as I'm concerned.
01-05-08, 10:52 PM
#69
As far as future Supras, i would envison a 2 tiered offering:
1) NA 3.5L V6 300hp offering to put down its real arch-nemesis: the 350z/370z
2) A Hi-powered offering hybrid technology showcase, with no specific target other than to take the hybrid sports crown a la the Supra HR-V racer.
Nissan 350z: Supercar
1) NA 3.5L V6 300hp offering to put down its real arch-nemesis: the 350z/370z
2) A Hi-powered offering hybrid technology showcase, with no specific target other than to take the hybrid sports crown a la the Supra HR-V racer.
Nissan 350z: Supercar
oh and people buy the na 5spd to either go na-t or swap. I'm seeing more and more na supra nowdays and all of them are waiting for either a swap or a turbo kit.
Last edited by ElitistK; 01-05-08 at 10:57 PM.
01-06-08, 04:12 AM
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01-06-08, 04:49 PM
#72
Shockingly you may be right. I read a Top Gear Review of the GT-R vs the
911 Turbo and they liked the GT-R better. It was a full 2 seconds faster
than the 911 at the ring and is much more controlled. Here is a quote
from the article :
"Driving these cars back-to-back, it's not long before you realize that the
Nissan makes the Porsche seem old-fashioned. The GT-R is truly
extraordinary"
There is also word of a much lighter and more powerful V Spec GT-R coming
out.
The Chief Engineer for the GT-R describes it as a "new kind of supercar, one with no
competitors"
I think the next Supra has no hope of matching the GT-R and I am now
wondering if the LF-A can do so as well...
911 Turbo and they liked the GT-R better. It was a full 2 seconds faster
than the 911 at the ring and is much more controlled. Here is a quote
from the article :
"Driving these cars back-to-back, it's not long before you realize that the
Nissan makes the Porsche seem old-fashioned. The GT-R is truly
extraordinary"
There is also word of a much lighter and more powerful V Spec GT-R coming
out.
The Chief Engineer for the GT-R describes it as a "new kind of supercar, one with no
competitors"
I think the next Supra has no hope of matching the GT-R and I am now
wondering if the LF-A can do so as well...
01-07-08, 08:09 AM
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oohh you guys dont know whats hiding n playing behind the scene... I was called out by a SF member back in 03 that there wont be aanything comming out... Back then i already saw the LF-A motor being tested to pass emission etc... a hint maybe the IS-F will give more light to non believers...
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