So Long V8 Cadillacs
01-03-08, 02:31 PM
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So Long V8 Cadillacs
GM said today that it has canceled plans to build a new advanced double overhead-cam V8 engine for its luxury cars. GM said a year ago that it would be investing $300 million in its Tonawanda, N.Y., engine plant for a new V8 engine. The engine was scheduled to start production in 2009 and was to be used in GM’s luxury cars.
GM’s powertrain spokesman said that the project is now completely dead, making the future of V8 Cadillacs unclear. The new V8 engine was expected to replace Cadillac’s Northstar V8 which will end production in 2010.
Besides for the XLR, Cadillac is now expected to switch to a high-powered V6 engine.
Cadillac spokesman Kevin Smith said, “We’ve really seen the V6 become the predominant engine in sales on the (2008) STS because it’s so close in power to the V8.” He also said that the V6 unit is about 150 to 200 pounds lighter than the V8.
Oh the effects of the CAFE 35. More depressing news like this is expected to come in the following months.
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GM’s powertrain spokesman said that the project is now completely dead, making the future of V8 Cadillacs unclear. The new V8 engine was expected to replace Cadillac’s Northstar V8 which will end production in 2010.
Besides for the XLR, Cadillac is now expected to switch to a high-powered V6 engine.
Cadillac spokesman Kevin Smith said, “We’ve really seen the V6 become the predominant engine in sales on the (2008) STS because it’s so close in power to the V8.” He also said that the V6 unit is about 150 to 200 pounds lighter than the V8.
Oh the effects of the CAFE 35. More depressing news like this is expected to come in the following months.
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01-03-08, 02:36 PM
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This is what I've said many times before. You don't really need a V8 if the V6 is designed well enough. The Acura RL, despite the low sales, proved that.....so did a number of Nissan/Infiniti cars with the excellent 3.5L and 3.7L V6s.
I do expect to see GM V8s, though, stay on for the big, full-size SUV's and trucks.
I do expect to see GM V8s, though, stay on for the big, full-size SUV's and trucks.
01-03-08, 02:38 PM
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The Northstar was a nice engine in a number of ways, but it tended to use a fair amount of oil and, with 4 overhead cams and 32 valves, was very complex to repair or overhaul.
01-03-08, 02:40 PM
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This is what I've said many times before. You don't really need a V8 if the V6 is designed well enough. The Acura RL, despite the low sales, proved that.....so did a number of Nissan/Infiniti cars with the excellent 3.5L and 3.7L V6s.
I do expect to see GM V8s, though, stay on for the big, full-size SUV's and trucks.
I do expect to see GM V8s, though, stay on for the big, full-size SUV's and trucks.
They are not the majority of sales but the majority of the halo. No one takes V-6 only cars serious. You NEED a V-8.
01-03-08, 02:42 PM
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HELLLLLOOO!!!!! Awful move. Caddy=RWD and V-8s. I could never buy a non V-8 Caddy. No way.
01-03-08, 02:46 PM
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They took it anyway.
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01-03-08, 03:44 PM
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I understand why you disagree. But it still does not change the fact that the Nissan 3.5 and 3.7 V6's are excellent, well-respected motors. And, as V8's start to disappear, high-powered V6s will start to take their place more and more, though we may start to see some high-mileage V8 hybrids. But, like it or not, the traditional high-power, conventional V8 is likely to get severely curtailed, if not wiped out, here in America by the new CAFE laws. You are correct that some luxury carmakers are still going with V8s, but I think their days are numbered.
01-03-08, 03:48 PM
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And go drive a 304 HP D.I. CTS, if you haven't yet. It is not a Dodge Viper or Ferrari Enzo, but it will more than get out of its own way, even with the automatic.
01-03-08, 03:53 PM
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No Problem. I understand why you disagree. But it still does not change the fact that the Nissan 3.5 and 3.7 V6's are excellent, well-respected motors. And, as V8's start to disappear, high-powered V6s will start to take their place more and more, though we may start to see some high-mileage V8 hybrids. But, like it or not, the traditional high-power, conventional V8 is likely to get severely curtailed, if not wiped out, here in America by the new CAFE laws.
You are correct that some luxury carmakers are still going with V8s, but I think their days are numbered.
I understand why you disagree. But it still does not change the fact that the Nissan 3.5 and 3.7 V6's are excellent, well-respected motors. And, as V8's start to disappear, high-powered V6s will start to take their place more and more, though we may start to see some high-mileage V8 hybrids. But, like it or not, the traditional high-power, conventional V8 is likely to get severely curtailed, if not wiped out, here in America by the new CAFE laws. You are correct that some luxury carmakers are still going with V8s, but I think their days are numbered.
Since you know the nissan engines, do they still have V8's? The trucks do but I don't think any of their cars right? I know as 1sick stated above, BMW just introduced one and I'm sure Mercedes is stickin' to their V8's as well, considering the new 550 engine.
Although carnot efficiency is pretty much hit, we can supplement it with electric motors. itll bide us enough until we can finally overcome the political reasons against nuclear.
we have billions of years worth of nuclear power available to us at almost dirt cheap. including externalities! Then when we have the technology, we move towards hydrogen fuel.
01-03-08, 04:02 PM
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Lexus has a new 5.0L V8 and a 5.7 V8. I do not think the V8 will be phased out for a while.
Since you know the nissan engines, do they still have V8's? The trucks do but I don't think any of their cars right? I know as 1sick stated above, BMW just introduced one and I'm sure Mercedes is stickin' to their V8's as well, considering the new 550 engine.
Since you know the nissan engines, do they still have V8's? The trucks do but I don't think any of their cars right? I know as 1sick stated above, BMW just introduced one and I'm sure Mercedes is stickin' to their V8's as well, considering the new 550 engine.
01-03-08, 04:11 PM
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No Problem. I understand why you disagree. But it still does not change the fact that the Nissan 3.5 and 3.7 V6's are excellent, well-respected motors. And, as V8's start to disappear, high-powered V6s will start to take their place more and more, though we may start to see some high-mileage V8 hybrids. But, like it or not, the traditional high-power, conventional V8 is likely to get severely curtailed, if not wiped out, here in America by the new CAFE laws.
You are correct that some luxury carmakers are still going with V8s, but I think their days are numbered.
I understand why you disagree. But it still does not change the fact that the Nissan 3.5 and 3.7 V6's are excellent, well-respected motors. And, as V8's start to disappear, high-powered V6s will start to take their place more and more, though we may start to see some high-mileage V8 hybrids. But, like it or not, the traditional high-power, conventional V8 is likely to get severely curtailed, if not wiped out, here in America by the new CAFE laws. You are correct that some luxury carmakers are still going with V8s, but I think their days are numbered.
On a side note, you have GM that is actually decreasing the size of these motors, and its about time. They used to make gutless 3.8 and 4.x 6 cylinder OHV pushrod engines, that were based on 1960ies designs, and they are finally starting to make more advanced overhead cam motors.