hyundai genesis (merged threads)
02-03-08, 09:17 PM
#182
Actually, with the way you stated it, my analogy seems pretty dead-on.
Why is it that all you can say about Hyundai is that they aren't innovative?
As an automaker what complaints do you have of their PRODUCTS?
Let's leave the "they aren't innovative" and "they copy other designs" and all that other nonsense you find so important and rate them as a carmaker.
Why is it that all you can say about Hyundai is that they aren't innovative?
As an automaker what complaints do you have of their PRODUCTS?
Let's leave the "they aren't innovative" and "they copy other designs" and all that other nonsense you find so important and rate them as a carmaker.
A. Their cars are better than most IF NOT ALL domestics and it seems that they're becoming worthy competition to many imports both german and japanese.
B. Who cares if the car resembles something else on the road. You could say that about every other company. Let me as you: DOES IT LOOK GOOD? DOES IT DRIVE WELL? IS IT COMFORTABLE? FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN THAT CAN'T AFFORD BMW, MB, LEXUS, AUDI, ACURA... DOES THIS HYUNDAI DELIVER?
B. Who cares if the car resembles something else on the road. You could say that about every other company. Let me as you: DOES IT LOOK GOOD? DOES IT DRIVE WELL? IS IT COMFORTABLE? FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN THAT CAN'T AFFORD BMW, MB, LEXUS, AUDI, ACURA... DOES THIS HYUNDAI DELIVER?
They aren't better, they are just cheaper. You know as well as I do, they wouldn't sell if they didn't undercut their competitions prices. But like I said before, they are cheaper because they do not spend on R&D. You have Japanese, German and Domestic auto makers with their share of innovation, and you currently have the Japanese working on the hybrid technologies, and Germans are working on the new clean diesels. Not to mention hydrogen and other alternative fuel prototypes. R&D costs money, and this is why Camry costs more than a Sonata.
But lets say if everyone in America started buying Hyundai's because they are cheaper, and all other manufacturers would be forced to cease their R&D programs in order to lower their prices and stay cometitive with Huyndai. We would have the same thing as we once had with domestic manufacturers, virtually no progress in four decades.
So yeah, I would gladly change my mind on Hyundai if I see them trying to be innovative and developing new technologies. But right now, I don't want to be associated with them in any way.
02-03-08, 09:43 PM
#184
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Loved the Genesis commercial and I noticed the front grille is a LOT nicer than the ones we'd seen in earlier pics. 
As someone earlier said, those that say they'd "never" buy a Hyundai, or that Hyundai is just a cheap knock-off sounds exactly like others did about 30 years ago when the early Toyotas, Hondas, and Datsuns showed up.
And if you think Hyundai's a cheap knock-off, wait until the first Chinese junkers start going on sale.
As someone earlier said, those that say they'd "never" buy a Hyundai, or that Hyundai is just a cheap knock-off sounds exactly like others did about 30 years ago when the early Toyotas, Hondas, and Datsuns showed up.
And if you think Hyundai's a cheap knock-off, wait until the first Chinese junkers start going on sale.
02-04-08, 11:47 AM
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What Hyundai is doing is showing that luxury, good looks, features, and performance can come at a lower price point. Even though I own a Lexus, I feel I'm paying a premium price for the logo, as do BMW and Mercedes owners. For those who can accept the fact that Hyundai does not (yet) enjoy the same symbolic status, it may offer them a way to enjoy a great car at a great price (lots of assumptions here).
02-04-08, 02:19 PM
#188
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They aren't better, they are just cheaper. You know as well as I do, they wouldn't sell if they didn't undercut their competitions prices. But like I said before, they are cheaper because they do not spend on R&D. You have Japanese, German and Domestic auto makers with their share of innovation, and you currently have the Japanese working on the hybrid technologies, and Germans are working on the new clean diesels. Not to mention hydrogen and other alternative fuel prototypes. R&D costs money, and this is why Camry costs more than a Sonata.
Mitsubishi offers cars that are cheaper--and they struggle every year. And some of Mitsu's cars ARE innovative. The outgoing Chevy Malibu undercut the Accord and Camry, and didnt compete. We could make a long list.
They don't have to be better--just as good. And if they aren't there, they are getting close. They offer a 10 year warranty--if their cars were as crappy as when they first introduced them, they'd be losing their shirts.
02-06-08, 01:12 AM
#189
What Hyundai is doing is showing that luxury, good looks, features, and performance can come at a lower price point. Even though I own a Lexus, I feel I'm paying a premium price for the logo, as do BMW and Mercedes owners. For those who can accept the fact that Hyundai does not (yet) enjoy the same symbolic status, it may offer them a way to enjoy a great car at a great price (lots of assumptions here).
This sounds exactly what Acura and Lexus did when they first came to the USA. Hyundai is following exactly in the same footsteps that Acura and Lexus have traveled. Everyone has to start somewhere and I say if two other Japanese companies paved the path for you, might as well take the same road. No sense in Hyundai trying to reinvent the wheel. Start off with a very competitive car for cheaper, then gain credibility over time, then you can significantly raise the price like Lexus after a decade or so.
At the same price point of an ES350, I'd take the Genesis all day. At the same price point as a GS350, I'd take the GS though. At $30-$35K for the Genesis, I'd seriously consider it over a $50K GS350.
02-06-08, 08:55 PM
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Genesis V8 could get supercharger and direct-injection
Genesis V8 could get supercharger and direct-injection
Posted on Wednesday 6 February 2008
Hyundai’s new Genesis flagship sedan was on display today at the Chicago Auto Show in full production trim for the first time. The car was previously shown at the Detroit show but it was presented with two different grilles, one with the regular Hyundai ‘H’ and the other with a set of four horizontal bars and a divider down the middle. After studying the reaction to both grilles, the decision was made to drop the traditional H logo and go with something new.
The Genesis is now ready for its U.S. sales launch, penciled in for summer, and will available with both V6 and V8 powerplants. Speaking with Automotive News, Hyundai product development boss John Krafcik said that only about 20% of Genesis sales will be the V8 model. The new 4.6L DOHC unit is Hyundai’s first V8 and was fully designed in-house by its own engineers.
The brand new engine doesn’t feature modern fuel-saving technologies like direct-injection and cylinder deactivation, but Krafcik said those features could be added, claiming engineers have left the door open for them. Krafcik also mentioned that a supercharger could be added to create a high-performance sports model, which could mean we’ll have a Hyundai V8 muscle car pushing more than 400hp.
Posted on Wednesday 6 February 2008
Hyundai’s new Genesis flagship sedan was on display today at the Chicago Auto Show in full production trim for the first time. The car was previously shown at the Detroit show but it was presented with two different grilles, one with the regular Hyundai ‘H’ and the other with a set of four horizontal bars and a divider down the middle. After studying the reaction to both grilles, the decision was made to drop the traditional H logo and go with something new.
The Genesis is now ready for its U.S. sales launch, penciled in for summer, and will available with both V6 and V8 powerplants. Speaking with Automotive News, Hyundai product development boss John Krafcik said that only about 20% of Genesis sales will be the V8 model. The new 4.6L DOHC unit is Hyundai’s first V8 and was fully designed in-house by its own engineers.
The brand new engine doesn’t feature modern fuel-saving technologies like direct-injection and cylinder deactivation, but Krafcik said those features could be added, claiming engineers have left the door open for them. Krafcik also mentioned that a supercharger could be added to create a high-performance sports model, which could mean we’ll have a Hyundai V8 muscle car pushing more than 400hp.
02-06-08, 09:06 PM
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This sounds exactly what Acura and Lexus did when they first came to the USA. Hyundai is following exactly in the same footsteps that Acura and Lexus have traveled. Everyone has to start somewhere and I say if two other Japanese companies paved the path for you, might as well take the same road. No sense in Hyundai trying to reinvent the wheel. Start off with a very competitive car for cheaper, then gain credibility over time, then you can significantly raise the price like Lexus after a decade or so.
At the same price point of an ES350, I'd take the Genesis all day. At the same price point as a GS350, I'd take the GS though. At $30-$35K for the Genesis, I'd seriously consider it over a $50K GS350.
At the same price point of an ES350, I'd take the Genesis all day. At the same price point as a GS350, I'd take the GS though. At $30-$35K for the Genesis, I'd seriously consider it over a $50K GS350.
Hyundai has surpassed any sedan Acura has made in one fell swoop with this car, as they REFUSE to build a V-8, RWD and even a 6 speed auto. The interior is as luxurious if not more so than anything they have made.
Genesis totally 100% > Acura. We can argue it being better than some Lexus but not ALL of them.
02-06-08, 09:10 PM
#194
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Agreed - I wouldn't pay a premium for a brand name unless the actual vehicle is really special.
02-06-08, 09:44 PM
#195
SC = rebadged Soarer.
GS = rebadged Aristo.
IS = rebadged Altezza.
GX = souped up 4Runner.
LX = souped up Land Cruiser.
ES = souped up Camry, not really a Lexus.
RX = rebadged Harrier, heavily based on Camry, not really a Lexus.
And GS, IS, and SC also share quite a bit of parts with the Supra. Not that it's a bad thing.
In any case, you got to admit that Acura Legend, the 1991-1995 models, especially the coupe was amazing.
Well, Genesis is still a Hyundai, and I don't think they spent anywhere nearly as much developing this car as Lexus spent on the LS. The car isn't available yet, and it is yet to be seen whether it lives up to the hype. Judging from the pictures/specs, the car doesn't bring anything new or original or special to the table. The only thing it has going for itself is the price. But so does the Sonata, yet Accord and Camry easily outsell it.