hyundai genesis (merged threads)
02-09-08, 09:09 AM
#211
I did some research on 'Lexicon' audio systems and only other brand that offers this setup is Rolls Royce! Never heard of it before but I guess it must be one of the best to be found in Rolls Royce vehicles.
Och-Hondas and Toyotas were innovative in ever since the beginning?? I don't know what you're smokin' but you need to get your facts straight. They were the POS's the same way Hyundai's were
Och-Hondas and Toyotas were innovative in ever since the beginning?? I don't know what you're smokin' but you need to get your facts straight. They were the POS's the same way Hyundai's were
02-09-08, 09:57 AM
#212
Lexus never did that outside of the LS either.
SC = rebadged Soarer.
GS = rebadged Aristo.
IS = rebadged Altezza.
GX = souped up 4Runner.
LX = souped up Land Cruiser.
ES = souped up Camry, not really a Lexus.
RX = rebadged Harrier, heavily based on Camry, not really a Lexus.
And GS, IS, and SC also share quite a bit of parts with the Supra. Not that it's a bad thing.
In any case, you got to admit that Acura Legend, the 1991-1995 models, especially the coupe was amazing.
Unfortunately ever since year 2000 Acura has been steadily degrading. They still have a few nice cars, such as TL-S, MDX (minus grille), the current RL, but with this new RL it's clear that Acura is aiming for self destruction. Expect them to bastardize their entire line up in the most near future.
Well, Genesis is still a Hyundai, and I don't think they spent anywhere nearly as much developing this car as Lexus spent on the LS. The car isn't available yet, and it is yet to be seen whether it lives up to the hype. Judging from the pictures/specs, the car doesn't bring anything new or original or special to the table. The only thing it has going for itself is the price. But so does the Sonata, yet Accord and Camry easily outsell it.
SC = rebadged Soarer.
GS = rebadged Aristo.
IS = rebadged Altezza.
GX = souped up 4Runner.
LX = souped up Land Cruiser.
ES = souped up Camry, not really a Lexus.
RX = rebadged Harrier, heavily based on Camry, not really a Lexus.
And GS, IS, and SC also share quite a bit of parts with the Supra. Not that it's a bad thing.
In any case, you got to admit that Acura Legend, the 1991-1995 models, especially the coupe was amazing.
Unfortunately ever since year 2000 Acura has been steadily degrading. They still have a few nice cars, such as TL-S, MDX (minus grille), the current RL, but with this new RL it's clear that Acura is aiming for self destruction. Expect them to bastardize their entire line up in the most near future.
Well, Genesis is still a Hyundai, and I don't think they spent anywhere nearly as much developing this car as Lexus spent on the LS. The car isn't available yet, and it is yet to be seen whether it lives up to the hype. Judging from the pictures/specs, the car doesn't bring anything new or original or special to the table. The only thing it has going for itself is the price. But so does the Sonata, yet Accord and Camry easily outsell it.
02-09-08, 10:21 AM
#213
How could you say the es and rx aren't real lexus' ? have you driven them? have you compared the camry to the es? have youcompared the lc to the lx? this is a joke, either your standards are way to high or you just like being the downer of the group. The genisis is a great car, from what we have seen and thats all you can ask for. Sure it isn't innovative, but what else do you want, the car to drive itself? what a joke. if you have nothing positive to say about this car, along with other lexus models, don't say anything at all.
02-09-08, 11:18 AM
#215
Why, I've always said that 3 series, especially the popular past gen 325 is a poseur car that can't hold a candle to a V6 Accord or much less TL. It's 180hp engine and CD player that skipped when you drove over bumps were nothing short of pathetic.
Last edited by Och; 02-09-08 at 11:21 AM.
02-09-08, 12:01 PM
#216
hmm well i guess you are entitled to your opinion, but i still think that just because a 35-44 grand car doesn't mean it doesn't drive like a flagship model doesn't mean it isn't a "true" luxury car. unless you would much rather drive a honda civic with 500,000 miles than a "not real lexus"
02-09-08, 12:07 PM
#217
hmm well i guess you are entitled to your opinion, but i still think that just because a 35-44 grand car doesn't mean it doesn't drive like a flagship model doesn't mean it isn't a "true" luxury car. unless you would much rather drive a honda civic with 500,000 miles than a "not real lexus"
02-09-08, 12:35 PM
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This may be the Hyundai vehcile that I like enough to get over the fact that it carries the Hyundai name, though I will reserve judgement until I can go check it out and drive it in person.
One thing I really like about this car is that even the base model V6 has decent power.
One thing I really like about this car is that even the base model V6 has decent power.
02-09-08, 09:18 PM
#220
I don't know about their history in Japanese market, but like I said, in the US market Honda and Toyota were innovative from the start. Maybe they didn't come with leather seats and V8 engines like Caddilacs, but instead they were innovative when it came to fuel efficiency, emissions and reliability.
375 hp engine that can run on regular unleaded that's alsoefficient(relatively speaking of course) is an innovation. Again who started the long warranty trend? When people think of long warranties they think of hyundai, not suzuki's nor chrysler(now with lifetime powertrain warranty)
People didn't turn to efficient japanese cars b/c it was innovative. They bought it because of fuel efficiency which domestics didn't offer at that time.
Go stick with your 500K mile 20 yr old civic and keep yourself happy. I own a 'HONDA' legend myself with 200K miles now. Maybe once it reaches 500K I'll understand how you shop for cars
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02-09-08, 11:02 PM
#221
OooKKK... hyundai should come up with 300hp 2 cyl engines and call it a day... that's an innovation for ya...
375 hp engine that can run on regular unleaded that's alsoefficient(relatively speaking of course) is an innovation. Again who started the long warranty trend? When people think of long warranties they think of hyundai, not suzuki's nor chrysler(now with lifetime powertrain warranty)
375 hp engine that can run on regular unleaded that's alsoefficient(relatively speaking of course) is an innovation. Again who started the long warranty trend? When people think of long warranties they think of hyundai, not suzuki's nor chrysler(now with lifetime powertrain warranty)
When Hyundai offers something that noone else offers, I'll consider one.
02-10-08, 05:54 AM
#223
I dont know how many unexperienced drivers preffer RWD over FWD.
I do know that my friends only complaint about 118d that he just got for his wife is that damn thing fishtails like crazy even with esp on and you really dont want that on tight european streets. And of course, back seats is much tighter than FWD vehicle.
So yeah, everything has its own merits and so does ES.
02-10-08, 06:39 AM
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02-10-08, 07:19 AM
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Lexus does a great job differentiating the ES and RX from the Camry. While an ES is no longer for me, it is a Lexus inside and out. You are entitled to your opinion, others share it as well.